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Re: Arizona fires Miller
« Reply #60 on: June 30, 2021, 09:22:18 PM »
Quote from: illiniray on June 30, 2021, 02:48:25 PM
Elderly sports fans like myself tend to have fond memories of how basketball was played way back in the day. There were notable exceptions, but today's players are bigger, faster, and generally way more skilled for size.

Rules have changed the game too. One notable difference is if you watch old film, dribbling often looks odd and the off hand is not used as much. This is partly because some guys could not dribble with their off hand, but largely because of the old palming rule.   

Wtf are you yapping about? Are you like 150 years old?
Maravich played in the 60s.
That was nearly 55 years ago. They have been using both hands for decades.
Players actually are worse ballhandlers in modern game.  Ayo, Trent, and Miller couldn't beat their man off the dribble because of weakass handles.
Loyola abused us because of it.
It's the modern player who looks like shit.

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Re: Arizona fires Miller
« Reply #61 on: July 01, 2021, 02:10:12 PM »
Quote from: Lkdog on June 30, 2021, 09:22:18 PM

Maravich played in the 60s.
That was nearly 55 years ago. They have been using both hands for decades.

And people back in the day were impressed with his ball handling skills. Oscar Robertson was 6-5. People were amazed that a big man could dribble like that.

The complaint I am seeing is today's NBA is all one on one offence, no team work, no defense. Been hearing that exact same complaint for 58 years.

Game has changed in obvious and subtle ways. The way palming and traveling are seldom if ever called are subtle changes. Three point shot was an obvious change.

Some things never change. Old folks remember the goodle days. Some college ball fans think the NBA game sucks.

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Re: Arizona fires Miller
« Reply #62 on: July 01, 2021, 03:15:06 PM »
Quote from: illiniray on July 01, 2021, 02:10:12 PM
And people back in the day were impressed with his ball handling skills. Oscar Robertson was 6-5. People were amazed that a big man could dribble like that.

The complaint I am seeing is today's NBA is all one on one offence, no team work, no defense. Been hearing that exact same complaint for 58 years.

Game has changed in obvious and subtle ways. The way palming and traveling are seldom if ever called are subtle changes. Three point shot was an obvious change.

Some things never change. Old folks remember the goodle days. Some college ball fans think the NBA game sucks.


The NBA is nothing like you think but I doubt you even watch it.
And the palming, traveling bullshit is a non issue made up by white guys being embarrassed by the AI's of the world.
If you can't use the three in college or NBA you are fcking stupid. You can't win wthout
it.
We only made 7 a game last year. Thankfully we are finally getting some legit shooters.


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Re: Arizona fires Miller
« Reply #63 on: July 01, 2021, 04:04:15 PM »
Quote from: Lkdog on July 01, 2021, 03:15:06 PM

The NBA is nothing like you think but I doubt you even watch it.
And the palming, traveling bullshit is a non issue made up by white guys being embarrassed by the AI's of the world.
If you can't use the three in college or NBA you are fcking stupid. You can't win wthout
it.
We only made 7 a game last year. Thankfully we are finally getting some legit shooters.

I don't watch any sports anymore except Illinois basketball, but that is besides the point. The point I made is the same sort of people have been making the same sort of complaints about the NBA since I started paying attention many moons ago. Back then I knew I would get old someday. I just expected it to take a lot longer. 

I am not saying it is for better or worse, but ir seems like traveling and palming seldom if ever get called anymore. Guys still catch the ball and take steps before dribbling.  They still take extra steps on layups. They still shuffle their feet on post moves.  It just doesn't seem to get called. I can't exactly recall the last time I saw traveling called.  Scott Meents? Maybe because I don't watch as much? 

At one time, touching the ball on the side while dribbling was palming. Now it's a crossover dribble. The only time I recall seeing palming called in the last 20 years was on McCamey a couple times. I think it fucked with his head. 

I remember when the idiotic NCAA banned dunking. iirc, high schools banned it too. The rationale was it was impossible to legally block a dunk.

I knew some old farts who hated the three point shot when it was new. They thought it would take away the midrange game.     
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Re: Arizona fires Miller
« Reply #64 on: July 01, 2021, 05:25:40 PM »
Quote from: Jobu on July 01, 2021, 04:14:36 PM
No, dunking was made illegal because it was "not a skillful shot." Had nothing to do with being able to block it.

This is how Kareem developed his sky hook.  Because he was not allowed to dunk the ball.

Come on, Nichi.  Just because you're 150 years old doesn't mean you can bullshit people.

 The Pleiadeans broke the space-time continuum and replaced it with a matrix. They got some of the details wrong.   
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Re: Arizona fires Miller
« Reply #65 on: July 01, 2021, 05:47:15 PM »
Quote from: Jobu on July 01, 2021, 05:32:05 PM
Nah, you’re pretty much full of shit. Has nothing to do with details, lol.

Classic case of projection.
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Re: Arizona fires Miller
« Reply #66 on: July 01, 2021, 06:49:19 PM »
Quote from: Jobu on July 01, 2021, 05:54:40 PM
No, classic case of you being full of shit.

Sticks and stones.  I don't get in pissing contests with skunks. Have a rice day.
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Re: Arizona fires Miller
« Reply #67 on: July 17, 2021, 04:14:53 PM »
Quote from: Jobu on July 01, 2021, 04:14:36 PM
No, dunking was made illegal because it was "not a skillful shot." Had nothing to do with being able to block it.

This is how Kareem developed his sky hook.  Because he was not allowed to dunk the ball.

You can Google. Congratulations.  Apparently the NCAA claimed it was because it was not a skillful shot and caused injuries. That was the excuse. No one could guard  Alcindor was maybe the real reason. Perhaps race was involved.
 
Our coaches told us it was because it was impossible to block a dunk attempt without either fouling or goal tending. Also, dunking amounted to offensive goal tending. We thought it was stupid.
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Re: Arizona fires Miller
« Reply #68 on: July 17, 2021, 04:37:54 PM »
Nichi's correct.
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Re: Arizona fires Miller
« Reply #69 on: July 17, 2021, 05:04:09 PM »
"Scottie Pippen, who was on the court when Iverson crossed up Jordan, noted in his postgame comments that league officials 'do allow [Iverson] to pick the ball up and carry it pretty high.'”

https://slate.com/culture/2019/04/nba-eurostep-travel-allen-iverson-crossover.html

"Yeah, look the bob Cousy highlights and you will see the way people dribble in that time."

"Your hand had to remain completely on top of the ball. It made crossovers and other dribble moves extremely difficult to do without being done illegally and being called a carry. It’s part of the reason why super old school players really only dribble with their dominant hand and players up until the 90’s don’t dribble as flashy as current day players.

... Most of the moves modern dribblers like Harden and Kyrie do would be called carries from the 40’s-90’s."

https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/gahf0y/nba_rules_changes_on_dribble/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

Used to be some old Illini video on youtube. The way lead guards Bill Small, Tal Brody, Jim.Dawson et al mostly dribbled with their right hand and the ball out in front looked odd, but was normal then.

Look at old video of Jerry West. He keeps his hand on top of the ball and dribbles down. He usually managed to switch to his left hand without carrying / palming.

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Re: Arizona fires Miller
« Reply #70 on: July 17, 2021, 10:08:41 PM »
Quote from: Jobu on July 17, 2021, 08:17:37 PM
Cool. Glad you’re super old. You know, you may need to start watching that blood pressure. Or do you have the diabetes? Because your behavior in the Kofi thread suggests some kind of altered level of consciousness.

Thanks for the diagnosis. It is worth what I paid for it. Have a rice day.
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Re: Arizona fires Miller
« Reply #71 on: July 18, 2021, 01:32:11 AM »
This is so out of left field in the most fantastic of ways.
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Re: Arizona fires Miller
« Reply #72 on: July 18, 2021, 11:16:26 AM »
More stupid revisionist history from Illinipeachbasket.
Players have been pushing the rules on dribbling for decades and amazingly using their left hand and using modern crossovers since the 60s.

Ever see this guy dumbass?
Left hand. On side of ball. We all did it.
I actually played in late 60s and early 70s.

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Re: Arizona fires Miller
« Reply #73 on: July 18, 2021, 03:36:36 PM »
Quote from: Lkdog on July 18, 2021, 11:16:26 AM

Ever see this guy dumbass?
Left hand. On side of ball. We all did it.
I actually played in late 60s and early 70s.



So Lkdog is Larue?

Nice reference to the Pearl. Some  cite his backcourt mate with having an early version of the crossover. Others point to
Isiah Thomas or Chris Jackson aka Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf. Most common is Tim Hardaway Sr.

Thing is, when those guys played;  carrying, double dribble, and traveling were still routinely called. I don't think there was an abrupt change. More like a gradual transition starting with stars getting protection.

Still, Scottie Pippen and Steve Kerr point to Iverson, but they are probably just dumbasses
 
Kerr on Iverson:

"The crossover, in my mind, changed the way players played. Before Iverson, his move was a carry, and guys had to keep their hand on top of the ball. So he was groundbreaking with that move because it was a hesitation into the crossover that nobody had really done before.

"Tim Hardaway's crossover was nasty, but it was perfectly legal. The way he did it, there wasn't that hesitation. So what Iverson did, nobody had ever seen it before, and it was a borderline carry. And to me, what happened, he was popular and exciting to watch. I think the league sort of realized we don't want to call a carry. I think the league literally looked at it and said, 'What do we do with this?'
https://abc7news.com/sports/steve-kerr-on-iverson-nash-durant-and-the-most-influential-players/3268523/

"Scottie Pippen, who was on the court when Iverson crossed up Jordan, noted in his postgame comments that league officials 'do allow [Iverson] to pick the ball up and carry it pretty high.'”
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