* *

User

Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.

May 10, 2026, 04:10:40 AM

Login with username, password and session length

Recent

Stats

Members
  • Total Members: 142
  • Latest: Hal9000
Stats
  • Total Posts: 178967
  • Total Topics: 1491
  • Online Today: 415
  • Online Ever: 4316
  • (October 16, 2025, 04:40:42 PM)
Users Online
Users: 0
Guests: 273
Total: 273

« previous next »
Pages: 1 2 [3] 4   Go Down

We played better this season without Ayo.

  • 58 Replies
  • 7878 Views

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

*

illiniray

  • *****
  • 9307
  • +622/-2093
    • View Profile
Re: We played better this season without Ayo.
« Reply #30 on: March 22, 2021, 11:30:14 AM »
Quote from: Lkdog on March 22, 2021, 10:14:32 AM
Wisconsin beat them easily.

On December 15 2020. Irrelevant.

What wss their net rank? Kenpom?
Logged
“Taking a trip? Where to?”  -“Wherever I end up, I guess. -“Man, I wish I was you." -Well, hang in there.”
*

Tempotime

  • ***
  • 107
  • +3/-22
    • View Profile
Re: We played better this season without Ayo.
« Reply #31 on: March 22, 2021, 11:46:27 AM »
God I love it. Even Drake beat Loyola 51-50, but they’re still making excuses for it. 3-4 seed my - - -.

They stepped up and were motivated to play without Ayo 🤣🤣🤣. Still doesn’t explain beating #2 on the road by 23, which is why everyone is really mad because they know I’m right.

He never was a team player. Just rewatch the Maryland game and you’ll see.
Logged
*

Tempotime

  • ***
  • 107
  • +3/-22
    • View Profile
Re: We played better this season without Ayo.
« Reply #32 on: March 22, 2021, 11:49:13 AM »
Hard not to be the best player when you’re taking 37 shots a game.

In theory Kofi is the best player on the team because he got his most of the time.

Several of the guards could compete with Ayo for the best if they shot 37 times a game like the Michigan game, but stay on the Ayo train folks. He is why we never really got going as a team this season until very late without him.
Logged
*

Lkdog

  • *****
  • 3204
  • +440/-231
    • View Profile
Re: We played better this season without Ayo.
« Reply #33 on: March 22, 2021, 11:56:08 AM »
Quote from: illiniray on March 22, 2021, 11:30:14 AM
On December 15 2020. Irrelevant.

What wss their net rank? Kenpom?

OK. We were lucky to only lose by 13.

Loyola - Gonzaga in finals. Book it.
Logged
*

Tempotime

  • ***
  • 107
  • +3/-22
    • View Profile
Re: We played better this season without Ayo.
« Reply #34 on: March 22, 2021, 11:57:18 AM »
That’s the problem with Ayo and the difference between him and a Frank, Dee or Deron as they all knew they were great and headed to the nba in some fashion, but they put their teams on their backs.

Ayo put himself on his back most of the season and that’s why the team never really got going. That is why some will compare him to never really making the top tier players I’ve mentioned.

Ayo is a ME player. Not a TEAM player.
Logged
*

ThePAMan

  • *****
  • 31632
  • +607/-2435
  • Because "PussyMan" and "PenisMan" were trademarked
    • View Profile
Re: We played better this season without Ayo.
« Reply #35 on: March 22, 2021, 12:14:15 PM »
Quote from: illiniray on March 22, 2021, 09:36:45 AM
Lou Henson said, paraphrasing,  that teams often play better in the short run if their star player is sidelined. That's because the other guys are motivated to step up. It can also be a boost to team oriented play. However, the star is the star for  a reason. This generally only lasts for a couple games. We were quite a bit better with Ayo.

Lot's of reasons we lost.

Loyola was a 3 or 4 seed quality opponent that played really well. Some days, your opponent beats you.

Our guys  had been playing with a chip on their shoulder since the MSU game. They had been dissed and had something to prove. Now, they were the favorites. Different psychology.

The coaches probably knew LU-I was better than their seed, but convincing the players was another thing.

I may be wrong, but it seems like early starts favor underdogs.

Larry Scirotto.

And chicks really fell for your shit despite weak ass patter like this?
Logged
Mark Carman: "The Whitlock!...Caleb Williams failed Wayne Whitlock." Been told I need to take my dick out my mouth so maybe I "wont [sic] sound like such a fucking faggot all the time[.]"

Tempo: "PAMan is a pot stirrer and agent provocateur"
*

illiniray

  • *****
  • 9307
  • +622/-2093
    • View Profile
Re: We played better this season without Ayo.
« Reply #36 on: March 22, 2021, 08:14:04 PM »
Quote from: Tempotime on March 22, 2021, 11:46:27 AM
God I love it. Even Drake beat Loyola 51-50, but they’re still making excuses for it. 3-4 seed my - - -.


NET ranking: 10
KenPom ranking: 9
Quad 1 record: 2-2
Quad 2 record: 4-2
Quad 3 record: 4-0
Quad 4 record: 12-0
Offensive efficiency ranking: 49th
Defensive efficiency: 1st

"They have just four losses on the year and two of them came to tournament-bound teams, the Wisconsin Badger and Drake Bulldogs, and won 17 of their last 18 games of the season. The one loss against Drake was by a single point in overtime."

The net and kenpom ranking translate to a 3 or 4 seed. I don't make shit up.

Also, look at our games when Larry Scirotto reffed.  We struggled. Fact.

« Last Edit: March 22, 2021, 08:29:13 PM by illiniray »
Logged
“Taking a trip? Where to?”  -“Wherever I end up, I guess. -“Man, I wish I was you." -Well, hang in there.”
*

illiniray

  • *****
  • 9307
  • +622/-2093
    • View Profile
Re: We played better this season without Ayo.
« Reply #37 on: March 22, 2021, 08:41:23 PM »
Quote from: Lkdog on March 22, 2021, 11:56:08 AM
OK. We were lucky to only lose by 13.

Loyola - Gonzaga in finals. Book it.

The goodle false dichotomy. Loyola is either a horrible team and it was really bad loss; or they are awesome and we never stood a chance. How about they are top 10 team according the leading formulas? Better than MSU. It was a disappointing loss, but not Austin Peay territory.     
Logged
“Taking a trip? Where to?”  -“Wherever I end up, I guess. -“Man, I wish I was you." -Well, hang in there.”
*

Tempotime

  • ***
  • 107
  • +3/-22
    • View Profile
Re: We played better this season without Ayo.
« Reply #38 on: March 22, 2021, 08:54:56 PM »
Quote from: illiniray on March 22, 2021, 08:41:23 PM
The goodle false dichotomy. Loyola is either a horrible team and it was really bad loss; or they are awesome and we never stood a chance. How about they are top 10 team according the leading formulas? Better than MSU. It was a disappointing loss, but not Austin Peay territory.     

Why not? I bet we at least competed in the Austin Peay game even though it was a close loss and Austen Peay.

We didn’t even show up for Loyola. And all those metrics don’t really mean anything when their top win is Drake. Loyola didn’t beat anyone of real note during the season and there in lies the problem.
Logged
*

illiniray

  • *****
  • 9307
  • +622/-2093
    • View Profile
Re: We played better this season without Ayo.
« Reply #39 on: March 22, 2021, 09:16:53 PM »
Quote from: Jobu on March 22, 2021, 08:18:10 PM
It’s actually hard to disagree with this.

Our first consensus first team All American since Rod Fletcher.  One of only 2 Big Ten players with 2 triple doubles in the same season. The other was Magic Johnson.  PTS. 20.1 · REB. 6.3 · AST. 5.3 Last B1G player to average 20, 6, and 5 was Evan Turner.

PPS 1.33 TS% 57.4  EFG%  52.6.

Averaged 15.36 shots per game. 28th in D-1. 3rd in the B1G behind Luka Garza and Marcus Carr. 
Logged
“Taking a trip? Where to?”  -“Wherever I end up, I guess. -“Man, I wish I was you." -Well, hang in there.”
*

illiniray

  • *****
  • 9307
  • +622/-2093
    • View Profile
Re: We played better this season without Ayo.
« Reply #40 on: March 22, 2021, 09:32:02 PM »
Quote from: Jobu on March 22, 2021, 09:20:48 PM
And he played like a huge pussy in his last game.

Not saying he wasn’t good. But Frank, Dee and Deron had balls.

Those Loyola guards bullied his ass.


We were still better with him.   
Logged
“Taking a trip? Where to?”  -“Wherever I end up, I guess. -“Man, I wish I was you." -Well, hang in there.”
*

illiniray

  • *****
  • 9307
  • +622/-2093
    • View Profile
Re: We played better this season without Ayo.
« Reply #41 on: March 22, 2021, 09:43:21 PM »
Quote from: Tempotime on March 22, 2021, 11:46:27 AM
God I love it. Even Drake beat Loyola 51-50,

One point loss on the road in OT. Loyola had just beaten Drake 81 - 54 the night before. Loyola also beat Drake 75-65 3 weeks later. One game does not mean that much over a season. Unfortunately, it means the season in a single elimination tournament.
Logged
“Taking a trip? Where to?”  -“Wherever I end up, I guess. -“Man, I wish I was you." -Well, hang in there.”
*

Miniditka

  • ****
  • 419
  • +259/-11
    • View Profile
Re: We played better this season without Ayo.
« Reply #42 on: March 23, 2021, 10:39:18 AM »
This was a game we shouldn’t have lost, but we did, because we got out-coached and out-worked.

The notion that we were better without Ayo is ridiculous. But I think we were better without Ayo and Curbelo on the floor at the same time. Curbelo can’t play off the ball, which meant Ayo had to play off the ball, which isn’t his ideal role. And when Ayo had the ball, Curbelo is useless because he can’t spot up and shoot. I understand wanting to get two of your better creators out there at the same time, but it just didn’t work.
Logged
*

Reacher

  • *****
  • 39656
  • +1059/-1051
  • You should see my passer rating
    • View Profile
Re: We played better this season without Ayo.
« Reply #43 on: March 23, 2021, 10:42:05 AM »
Quote from: Miniditka on March 23, 2021, 10:39:18 AM
This was a game we shouldn’t have lost, but we did, because we got out-coached and out-worked.

The notion that we were better without Ayo is ridiculous. But I think we were better without Ayo and Curbelo on the floor at the same time. Curbelo can’t play off the ball, which meant Ayo had to play off the ball, which isn’t his ideal role. And when Ayo had the ball, Curbelo is useless because he can’t spot up and shoot. I understand wanting to get two of your better creators out there at the same time, but it just didn’t work.

You might be on to something there.
Logged
"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
*

Custard

  • *****
  • 12292
  • +238/-2971
    • View Profile
Re: We played better this season without Ayo.
« Reply #44 on: March 23, 2021, 01:34:53 PM »
I’ve mostly bit my tongue on criticizing Ayo because of his key role in resurrecting this program. But MD is right, and I’ll even go a step further by saying scheming to accommodate his ball dominance stunted the growth of the team as a whole.
Logged
Poster Boy for White Male Indifference

AOTC on basically everything measurable

“Custard, you were RIGHT!” -Tempo
Pages: 1 2 [3] 4   Go Up
« previous next »