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WTF did Trump do to the stock market?

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Re: WTF did Trump do to the stock market?
« Reply #30 on: March 15, 2020, 12:13:53 PM »
I’m not really concerned over the stupid shit that comes out of Trump’s mouth. I’m talking about what actions should have been taken back in January that would have ultimately changed the outcome of this pandemic for the United States? It was going to end up here eventually no matter what. I’m just curious what would have been a better solution than monitoring it and then making moves to minimize the impact once it arrived.
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Re: WTF did Trump do to the stock market?
« Reply #31 on: March 15, 2020, 12:26:10 PM »
Quote from: Custard on March 15, 2020, 01:51:47 AM
I’m no expert and I respect all opinions here but I’ll be very surprised if it’s anywhere near that bad. Flattening the infection curve by taking some pretty extreme measures should allow medical services to keep pace.

I am curious though what we should have been doing back in January?

Actually working in a proactive manner with health experts to monitor and simply have them prepare a system response whether it would be needed or not. The POTUS could act like an adult and take this as potentially serious and inform the public in objective manner and use the risk management models and preparation as it evolved. 23 states declared an emergency as they started to ignore his lack of leadership, before he finally did so to release FEMA funds. Instead he talked about the stock market daily and bailing out hotels and resorts.

We minimized this and POTUS lied and continues to do so, ignored the WHO and CDC warnings, and then approved refusal of the WHO tests early on that every other country is using to assess the threat. We have no tests readily available. It is March 15th.
We have no idea where this is really at in the USA due to not taking any basic action in January. We are way behind.

Today they said hopefully in a week we will have tests more available.

Read this- he is a highly respected conservative journalist.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/03/peter-wehner-trump-presidency-over/607969/
 
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Re: WTF did Trump do to the stock market?
« Reply #32 on: March 15, 2020, 12:32:41 PM »
Quote from: Custard on March 15, 2020, 12:13:53 PM
I’m not really concerned over the stupid shit that comes out of Trump’s mouth. I’m talking about what actions should have been taken back in January that would have ultimately changed the outcome of this pandemic for the United States? It was going to end up here eventually no matter what. I’m just curious what would have been a better solution than monitoring it and then making moves to minimize the impact once it arrived.

Good plan. See, this isn't that hard. Custard could be POTUS and we would be doing better.
We actually didn't do any of the logical steps above. In fact there was a conscious self interested deranged effort by POTUS and FOX news to mislead the public and not take action and claim this was a hoax and political.
Only now are they letting Fauci and Redford take the lead- several weeks too late.
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Re: WTF did Trump do to the stock market?
« Reply #33 on: March 15, 2020, 01:38:25 PM »
I expected Trump to play Baghdad Bob to protect the stock market and economy as a whole until it wasn’t possible to do so any longer. I’m sure the entire tug of war was based around avoiding a panic scenario and tanking the economy. Even still I’ll be shocked if we see anything like what happened in Italy happen here.
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Re: WTF did Trump do to the stock market?
« Reply #34 on: March 15, 2020, 02:43:29 PM »
Quote from: Custard on March 15, 2020, 01:51:47 AM
I’m no expert and I respect all opinions here but I’ll be very surprised if it’s anywhere near that bad. Flattening the infection curve by taking some pretty extreme measures should allow medical services to keep pace.

I am curious though what we should have been doing back in January?

Send a team of health experts to China on a fact-finding mission.   Even if they weren’t allowed to see everything, they would have sensed the situation was much worse than advertised.  On the way home, visit with government health officials in Taiwan and Japan to collect information on their preparedness and emergency measures. 

Don’t duplicate the mistakes that were made in China:  silence and misinformation.  Appoint a high-level public health official to lead the federal task force (government health agencies plus key stakeholder groups); someone who values facts, data and reasoning, with strong communicating skills.   Put him/her in charge of conveying information to the public and interacting with local and state health authorities.

Realizing and acknowledging we’re “behind the curb” on testing and monitoring, Congress releases funding to local and state public health agencies to conduct a widespread public education campaign (initial focus on social distancing and high-risk groups) to not only help minimize the spread of the virus, but also to reduce fear-mongering, conspiracies, hucksters and panic-buying.  Local health agencies in particular are considered "trusted" experts in the community.  They have longstanding experience in promoting socially beneficial behaviors, even if it makes our own lives less convenient.  But their federal and state funding has been cut over the last 20 years. 

Start working with the medical/insurance/government sectors to figure out how to incentivize people to get tested and seek treatment once it becomes widely available.  Unfortunately, many people in this country are disincentivized from seeking out care because they can’t afford it.   We want people, especially the elderly, poor and low-income, to know that help and resources will be available, if they need it. 


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Re: WTF did Trump do to the stock market?
« Reply #35 on: March 15, 2020, 03:19:33 PM »
Thanks for the details.

Will the elderly, poor, and low income be denied treatment for the virus?

I’m curious in what ways wide scale availability of tests for the virus in January and February would have changed the trajectory here in the states?
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Re: WTF did Trump do to the stock market?
« Reply #36 on: March 15, 2020, 05:33:13 PM »
Quote from: Custard on March 15, 2020, 03:19:33 PM
Thanks for the details.

Will the elderly, poor, and low income be denied treatment for the virus?

I’m curious in what ways wide scale availability of tests for the virus in January and February would have changed the trajectory here in the states?

Testing people getting off planes from outside the US may have helped at that time.
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Re: WTF did Trump do to the stock market?
« Reply #37 on: March 15, 2020, 10:28:36 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on March 15, 2020, 05:33:13 PM
Quote from: Custard on March 15, 2020, 03:19:33 PM
Thanks for the details.

Will the elderly, poor, and low income be denied treatment for the virus?

I’m curious in what ways wide scale availability of tests for the virus in January and February would have changed the trajectory here in the states?

Testing people getting off planes from outside the US may have helped at that time.

Just my opinion but that’s a slippery slope. Precedent setting. You start testing everyone and then quarantining them and then they’ve probably already passed it to a big chunk of the people they’d travelled with. And where does it stop? Do we start testing for other diseases while we are at it? What happens when the next one pops up? What threshold do you start the testing? We are dealing with civil liberties here as well.

Martial law has been working pretty well in China, should we do that? Not trying to stir the pot here but I can see some valid reasons not to do mandatory testing back in January. I don’t think it helped that this started in commie China where we can’t really trust the information and statistics they provide.
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Re: WTF did Trump do to the stock market?
« Reply #38 on: March 16, 2020, 12:24:15 AM »
Quote from: Custard on March 15, 2020, 01:51:47 AM
I’m no expert and I respect all opinions here but I’ll be very surprised if it’s anywhere near that bad. Flattening the infection curve by taking some pretty extreme measures should allow medical services to keep pace.

I am curious though what we should have been doing back in January?

If we had a full bore effort to get testing infrastructure in place in January, we would have very quick testing right now, and be able to self quarantine/isolate cases, with the funding in place to make it free. These tests aren't personal health care, they are national defense.
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Re: WTF did Trump do to the stock market?
« Reply #39 on: March 16, 2020, 12:27:22 AM »
Quote from: alum74 on March 15, 2020, 02:43:29 PM
Start working with the medical/insurance/government sectors to figure out how to incentivize people to get tested and seek treatment once it becomes widely available.  Unfortunately, many people in this country are disincentivized from seeking out care because they can’t afford it.   We want people, especially the elderly, poor and low-income, to know that help and resources will be available, if they need it.

You forgot the undocumented, who are afraid they will end up in detention. So instead they don't go in and infect a couple hundred.

Then when this thing hits farm worker communities, the food supply chain is threatened when the farm workers get sick and there is nobody to harvest/pack crops (not to mention if there is food safety issues with the virus)
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Re: WTF did Trump do to the stock market?
« Reply #40 on: March 16, 2020, 12:29:58 AM »
Quote from: Custard on March 15, 2020, 10:28:36 PM
Quote from: ThePAMan on March 15, 2020, 05:33:13 PM
Quote from: Custard on March 15, 2020, 03:19:33 PM
Thanks for the details.

Will the elderly, poor, and low income be denied treatment for the virus?

I’m curious in what ways wide scale availability of tests for the virus in January and February would have changed the trajectory here in the states?

Testing people getting off planes from outside the US may have helped at that time.

Just my opinion but that’s a slippery slope. Precedent setting. You start testing everyone and then quarantining them and then they’ve probably already passed it to a big chunk of the people they’d travelled with. And where does it stop? Do we start testing for other diseases while we are at it? What happens when the next one pops up? What threshold do you start the testing? We are dealing with civil liberties here as well.

Martial law has been working pretty well in China, should we do that? Not trying to stir the pot here but I can see some valid reasons not to do mandatory testing back in January. I don’t think it helped that this started in commie China where we can’t really trust the information and statistics they provide.

This would be a perfectly fine precedent to set for the case of a global pandemic.

If we have the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, and the carrier of a virus with 1-3% fatality rate is walking around, that's an impingement to people's right to life. Nobody has the liberty to supercede that right.
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Re: WTF did Trump do to the stock market?
« Reply #41 on: March 16, 2020, 10:28:05 AM »
Quote from: Custard on March 15, 2020, 03:19:33 PM


Will the elderly, poor, and low income be denied treatment for the virus?


The issue is will they seek testing and treatment, given their relative lack of resources.

Coronavirus May Disproportionately Hurt the Poor—And That's Bad for Everyone
https://time.com/5800930/how-coronavirus-will-hurt-the-poor/

The particular peril of coronavirus for poor people — and then everyone else
https://arktimes.com/arkansas-blog/2020/03/07/the-particular-peril-of-coronavirus-for-poor-people-and-then-everyone-else


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Re: WTF did Trump do to the stock market?
« Reply #42 on: March 20, 2020, 01:01:43 AM »
Speaking of the stock market it looks like Illinois Alum Senator Kelly Loeffler is in some deep shit.
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Re: WTF did Trump do to the stock market?
« Reply #43 on: March 20, 2020, 04:06:35 AM »
Quote from: murphstahoe on March 20, 2020, 01:01:43 AM
Speaking of the stock market it looks like Illinois Alum Senator Kelly Loeffler is in some deep shit.

Gelato is very proud of her.
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Re: WTF did Trump do to the stock market?
« Reply #44 on: March 20, 2020, 09:00:58 AM »
Quote from: murphstahoe on March 20, 2020, 01:01:43 AM
Speaking of the stock market it looks like Illinois Alum Senator Kelly Loeffler is in some deep shit.

what an idiot

not only for "insider trading" but for sucking Jobu's cock

although she says an independent third party does all her trading... I'm dubious she didn't tip that third party off considering she bought a teleconferencing stock after she sold the other stuff
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