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« Reply #15 on: March 15, 2021, 03:54:10 PM »
Did you change meds?

He never finished above .500 in conference and missed the tourney all fours years.

No shit? He also had a large buyout and if his 2017 coaching class peers weren’t kicking ass on either side of them they might have been inclined to wait one more year. DWC seemed to have comprehended what I said.
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« Reply #16 on: March 15, 2021, 04:16:27 PM »
Choose your reward:



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« Reply #17 on: March 15, 2021, 04:19:39 PM »
The message board venom Jobu has brought to the table has just opened the flood gates.
Mark Carman: "The Whitlock!...Caleb Williams failed Wayne Whitlock." Been told I need to take my dick out my mouth so maybe I "wont [sic] sound like such a fucking faggot all the time[.]"

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« Reply #18 on: March 15, 2021, 04:20:17 PM »
Holtmann was also hired in that cycle.

Nice avatar of Judge Judy there, Jobu.
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« Reply #19 on: March 15, 2021, 04:42:52 PM »
Choose your reward:




At least you could have offered Krispy Kreme doughnuts instead of leftovers from your latest dumpster haul.

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« Reply #20 on: March 15, 2021, 04:46:48 PM »
It's not a dumpster time of year right now. But I did find that Roku Express the other day.

That was handy for watching the game at Columbus because my stream was off.

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« Reply #21 on: March 15, 2021, 04:56:45 PM »
That one stack of cookies has way too many sprinkles.  Jesus.  I mean, what the fuck.

not only that but they're those awful nonpareils sprinkles that do nothing other than get stuck in places

give me jimmies or give me death when it comes to sprinkles
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« Reply #22 on: March 15, 2021, 05:33:00 PM »
I don't know why they would get into college hoops to take THAT job... its just not very desirable anymore... ridiculous fan expectations and a lot less local area talent these days

To your point, those 2 coaches can be very selective if/when they decide to return to coaching college basketball. That being said, I can think of at least 1,850,000 reasons per year, probably a lot more for either of those individuals. Coaches want to coach if they're still able to do so. It's their mindset. That's why Urban Meyer is returning to the sidelines. He had 2 relatively stress-free, decent paying jobs (Fox CFB analyst, Assistant AD at OSU) but still opted to return to coaching football. Beilein and Matta have come so close to winning a national championship; it's the one professional achievement their resume is lacking. I think that will weigh heavily on their decision (if offered) -- can they win a NC at that school? History says yes at IU, which has won 5 NCs in men's basketball, though none since 1987. Box checked.

There is plenty of really good basketball talent within @500 miles of IU's campus. Butler managed to make back-to-back appearances in the NCAA Championship game and it's located only an hour away from Bloomington. I don't closely follow IU sports, but my understanding is recruiting was not the issue for the Hoosiers under Miller. The players & system just didn't work out for whatever reason(s). A really good coach is not going to shy away from high expectations; they'll just make sure their contract affords sufficient protection, and that they can trust the AD to have their back. In the end, I really don't mind Indiana being down in basketball, as it helps Illinois and Ohio State in recruiting.




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« Reply #23 on: March 15, 2021, 05:38:27 PM »
they're those awful nonpareils sprinkles that do nothing other than get stuck in places
Kinda surprised Jobu didn't want more info about this.

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« Reply #24 on: March 15, 2021, 06:20:40 PM »
To your point, those 2 coaches can be very selective if/when they decide to return to coaching college basketball. That being said, I can think of at least 1,850,000 reasons per year, probably a lot more for either of those individuals. Coaches want to coach if they're still able to do so. It's their mindset. That's why Urban Meyer is returning to the sidelines. He had 2 relatively stress-free, decent paying jobs (Fox CFB analyst, Assistant AD at OSU) but still opted to return to coaching football. Beilein and Matta have come so close to winning a national championship; it's the one professional achievement their resume is lacking. I think that will weigh heavily on their decision (if offered) -- can they win a NC at that school? History says yes at IU, which has won 5 NCs in men's basketball, though none since 1987. Box checked.

There is plenty of really good basketball talent within @500 miles of IU's campus. Butler managed to make back-to-back appearances in the NCAA Championship game and it's located only an hour away from Bloomington. I don't closely follow IU sports, but my understanding is recruiting was not the issue for the Hoosiers under Miller. The players & system just didn't work out for whatever reason(s). A really good coach is not going to shy away from high expectations; they'll just make sure their contract affords sufficient protection, and that they can trust the AD to have their back. In the end, I really don't mind Indiana being down in basketball, as it helps Illinois and Ohio State in recruiting.

Matta grew up an IU fan and if there was one job he’d come back for, it would probably be that one. If I were IU I would have serious concerns about hiring him unless his time off has gotten him back to sustainably decent health. His performance at tOSU declined in lock step with his health.
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« Reply #25 on: March 15, 2021, 06:27:27 PM »
You could also attribute the "decline" to staff changes. Still, it was only his final season that they dipped below .500 in conference.

I'm a little younger than him, but plenty old enough to know that the fire after 40 doesn't burn with the same fervor.

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« Reply #26 on: March 15, 2021, 06:53:16 PM »
You could also attribute the "decline" to staff changes. Still, it was only his final season that they dipped below .500 in conference.

I'm a little younger than him, but plenty old enough to know that the fire after 40 doesn't burn with the same fervor.

If you want to argue that he set the bar so high for himself that it was unsustainable, then I guess I can agree.

But those last four seasons demonstrated a fairly linear decline culminating in the two poorest seasons of his entire tenure at tOSU. So not sure why we need to put it in quotes like the decline is questionable. Coincidentally, Thad’s final year record of 17-15 was the same as Weber’s final season at Illinois.

As to the 40 thing, I’ll find out in 9 days. Not sure about you and Thad’s fires, but the vast majority of the most consistent coaches in college basketball passed the 40 mark long ago. Hell Underwood is damn near 60.
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« Reply #27 on: March 15, 2021, 07:01:31 PM »
Brad has certainly felt his joints on the cold mornings. That's why he had some of them removed.

It's possible to reach sixty in great health. Thad didn't make it to fifty. It happens.

There's a reason we've never seen a 50 year-old quarterback. After 45, you need a lotta cream n' clear just to approach a thirtysomething's capabilities.

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« Reply #28 on: March 15, 2021, 07:26:00 PM »
I would be shocked if Thad comes back to a job with high major recruiting expectations, and I can't imagine their fans being thrilled with that hire.

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« Reply #29 on: March 15, 2021, 07:34:13 PM »
It depends on the assistants.