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Josh Whitman: Open Letter
« on: March 12, 2021, 07:38:08 AM »
How did this not get its own thread? I agree that Illinois is deserving of a co-champion nod, but Jesus Josh Whitman is embarrassing. “A decision that will ‘resonate for generations and an outcome which will live in infamy?” JC
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Re: Josh Whitman: Open Letter
« Reply #1 on: March 12, 2021, 08:11:17 AM »
Because he actually voted to use winning percentage?

Good to see you posting Tempo.
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Re: Josh Whitman: Open Letter
« Reply #2 on: March 12, 2021, 09:12:40 AM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on March 12, 2021, 07:38:08 AM
How did this not get its own thread? I agree that Illinois is deserving of a co-champion nod, but Jesus Josh Whitman is embarrassing. “A decision that will ‘resonate for generations and an outcome which will live in infamy?” JC

I posted it in the B1G title thread https://illinihq2.com/index.php/topic,213.msg12181.html#msg12181

but I know how much you love starting new threads for attention so I won't steal your thunder
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Re: Josh Whitman: Open Letter
« Reply #3 on: March 12, 2021, 09:49:56 AM »
Tempo good to see you here. Just curious did you read the letter first and then the Chicago media’s reaction to it, or did you first learn of the letter when you read the Chicago media’s reaction to it?

The letter is certainly emotional and melodramatic but given it’s intended audience I kinda get it. And once Michigan lost to MSU and muddied the water he basically had to make a show of defending his program, staff, and players.

Something to keep in mind is that the B1G (and Kevin Warren in particular) have not had a good year from a management perspective and probably weren’t really keen on getting publicly called out by yet another frustrated member institution with a legitimate gripe. Ryan and Morrissey cite unnamed sources in their pieces to illustrate Whitman’s whiny hypocrisy, but they seem to be missing some context/details relative to the material Whitman attached his own name to publicly.

That means it’s probably somewhere in the middle. Whitman isn’t dumb enough to go and vote three times for a winning percentage champion with no caveats and then publicly complain that they used winning percentage. The way his letter reads to me is that he voted for winning percentage with caveats that account for the type of situation that played out, and was overruled. I doubt he’s going to engage in further public warfare with the B1G so I guess we are left to speculate the details of what actually happened.

At any rate good to see you back...try to enjoy the fact Illinois has it’s once-every-16-years good basketball team.
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Re: Josh Whitman: Open Letter
« Reply #4 on: March 12, 2021, 10:10:59 AM »
Josh misspelled discreet.

Fart misspelled its.
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Re: Josh Whitman: Open Letter
« Reply #5 on: March 12, 2021, 10:28:00 AM »
Quote from: Custard on March 12, 2021, 09:49:56 AM
Tempo good to see you here. Just curious did you read the letter first and then the Chicago media’s reaction to it, or did you first learn of the letter when you read the Chicago media’s reaction to it?

The letter is certainly emotional and melodramatic but given it’s intended audience I kinda get it. And once Michigan lost to MSU and muddied the water he basically had to make a show of defending his program, staff, and players.

Something to keep in mind is that the B1G (and Kevin Warren in particular) have not had a good year from a management perspective and probably weren’t really keen on getting publicly called out by yet another frustrated member institution with a legitimate gripe. Ryan and Morrissey cite unnamed sources in their pieces to illustrate Whitman’s whiny hypocrisy, but they seem to be missing some context/details relative to the material Whitman attached his own name to publicly.

That means it’s probably somewhere in the middle. Whitman isn’t dumb enough to go and vote three times for a winning percentage champion with no caveats and then publicly complain that they used winning percentage. The way his letter reads to me is that he voted for winning percentage with caveats that account for the type of situation that played out, and was overruled. I doubt he’s going to engage in further public warfare with the B1G so I guess we are left to speculate the details of what actually happened.

At any rate good to see you back...try to enjoy the fact Illinois has it’s once-every-16-years good basketball team.

Has Guenther, Jr. denied the reports? Not so far.
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Re: Josh Whitman: Open Letter
« Reply #6 on: March 12, 2021, 10:28:31 AM »
It appears from two separate media reports there were two unanimous votes to use winning % and that now Josh wanted a do over.
He may have voted in a third vote to not do so.
That is a little unclear.

I do think he then took his case to the public, and I do not think it was a good approach considering he supported the % until the end.
He could have done so behind the scenes IMO.

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Re: Josh Whitman: Open Letter
« Reply #7 on: March 12, 2021, 10:31:27 AM »
We shall see if this was a distraction or not. That is my concern with this.
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Re: Josh Whitman: Open Letter
« Reply #8 on: March 12, 2021, 10:45:23 AM »
I was under the assumption it was 2 votes, and Whitman asked for a 3rd and was turned down.
There undoubtedly were scenarios and options discussed during the 1st 2 votes, and the ADs didn't envision how the end of the season went for both us and Michigan. 
Who would have ?
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Re: Josh Whitman: Open Letter
« Reply #9 on: March 12, 2021, 11:01:44 AM »
Quote from: Mn on March 12, 2021, 10:45:23 AM
I was under the assumption it was 2 votes, and Whitman asked for a 3rd and was turned down.
There undoubtedly were scenarios and options discussed during the 1st 2 votes, and the ADs didn't envision how the end of the season went for both us and Michigan. 
Who would have ?

yeah who would of thought that the eventual "champion" would account for 75% of missed games this season in the big ten?  because of a positive test in a completely unrelated sport...

oh, I would, because its the wolverines and they are members of the weasel family
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Re: Josh Whitman: Open Letter
« Reply #10 on: March 12, 2021, 11:06:45 AM »
Quote from: fucking on March 12, 2021, 10:10:59 AM
Josh misspelled discreet.

Fart misspelled its.

Actually my phone corrected my proper spelling but I’ll take ownership of it since I didn’t catch it
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Re: Josh Whitman: Open Letter
« Reply #11 on: March 12, 2021, 11:22:31 AM »
As I said before I highly doubt Whitman is  going to continue a public debate by elaborating on the process itself. He basically said his piece to fire up the fan and donor base and most importantly the team. I am sure he knew it wouldn’t be received well in some arenas. And I’ll say once again if he voted in good faith three times for winning percentage with no caveats then the Chicago hit pieces are well deserved. But I personally think that Whitman is smart enough not to have written this particular letter if he voted 2-3 times (as recently as the end of February) to use winning percentage with no caveats. I mean...in his letter he spoke directly about the caveats he presented to the league.

The anonymous “sources” the articles cited (read: Rosemont) could say he voted every time for winning percentage and be technically correct while also conveniently leaving out the fact that Whitman pushed for additional caveats that could reward teams with other metrics.

Sometimes I have trouble reconciling Illinois’ renowned social media obnoxiousness and the self-loathing race to be AOTC on anything negative
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Re: Josh Whitman: Open Letter
« Reply #12 on: March 12, 2021, 11:34:22 AM »
Quote from: ILLove1997 on March 12, 2021, 09:12:40 AM
I posted it in the B1G title thread https://illinihq2.com/index.php/topic,213.msg12181.html#msg12181

but I know how much you love starting new threads for attention so I won't steal your thunder

Cool story bro! Throw it on the pile with the one or two other threads I’ve started here in the last year or so!

I apologize for not reading all other threads completely.
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« Reply #13 on: March 12, 2021, 11:36:25 AM »
Don’t mind Ol97 he’s just feeding off Jobu’s aggression
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Re: Josh Whitman: Open Letter
« Reply #14 on: March 12, 2021, 11:37:50 AM »
I don’t have a problem with Whitman penning a letter. But man, show some perspective.
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