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Brad Underwood
« on: March 07, 2021, 08:48:08 PM »
Gotta hand it to Whitman and Underwood & Co for the resurrection of the program. Whitman is a winner and he hired a winner.

Staff went out and got players, adjusted schemes to fit them, doesn’t overcoach like Weber, doesn’t undercoach like Groce, allows players to make mistakes and grow (other than Hawkins), players know their roles and steadily improve, teams improve throughout season.

Perhaps most importantly he has adjusted his coaching style and personality. Lots of cringey moments those first couple of years. I remember someone saying back then that Brad simply didn’t know how else to handle all the suck he took over. I think that was probably pretty accurate. To his credit he seems to have evolved into more of a players coach that knows when and how to get on his guys. I hate to even say it but he’s kinda like the Bill Self that actually wants to stay in Champaign.

In watching a lot of college basketball this season there are a bunch of good players that we recruited heavily.  And it seems like the better guys we get are rising in the recruiting ratings and tend to play to it whereas the Groce/Weber guys often were falling in rankings and eventually underperformed their HS hype.

One thing I think that gets overlooked is that the dude isn’t afraid to cut bait. If a guy doesn’t fit they move on and get another.

Overall it’s hard not to like what he’s accomplished here. Huge props to the guys who bought in early and are reaping the rewards.

Closing notes:

-Tempo should be pleased not only with the progress of the team but especially the kinder, gentler Brad Underwood.

-ChicagoFan was way wrong on Trent Frazier.

-Fuck Iowa and Michigan

-WE’RE FUCKIN BACK BABY
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Re: Brad Underwood
« Reply #1 on: March 07, 2021, 09:18:51 PM »
Coach Hulka and staff got them to realize if they guard somebody hard they could be really good. Was not sure it would happen and after the Indiana, Neb, and NorthWestern games in mid Feb there were real questions about mental approach and preparation.
Same thing happened last year, but he had a natural leader in Feliz who helped the culture get there quicker I think.
Ayo has became the clear leader this year.
I don't follow recruiting like others, but going national and getting some kids with old school street ball skills has been huge.
The BT has no idea what to do with Curbelo, nor could they deal with Feliz.

Underwood is getting the job done overall. I am glad I was wrong about him.

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Re: Brad Underwood
« Reply #2 on: March 07, 2021, 09:37:46 PM »
Gotta hand it to Whitman and Underwood & Co for the resurrection of the program. Whitman is a winner and he hired a winner.


Better asterisk (*) your comment.

Whitman also made arguably the worst hire of a head football coach in Illinois history.   

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Re: Brad Underwood
« Reply #3 on: March 07, 2021, 10:26:44 PM »
I don’t think it is arguable. Becktard, Moeller were demonstrably worse. Not necessarily their overall record but in just being generally embarrassing in multiple other ways.
 
Tepper’s teams didn’t even have the viewer benefit of being funny-bad, they were just boring af. In the context of the past 30 years, Zook was a pretty good Illinois football coach. Turner had a couple good teams and then mailed it in.

I think the Smith hire has to be looked at through a somewhat different lens. Whitman had to do something about football right away because Groce was somewhat safe for another year given the recruiting class he was putting together. Illinois was on the list of programs without a minority HC for WAY too long. There was enormous pressure to hire a minority head coach. And in March 2016 there was a newly available minority coach that just happened to have taken the “local” NFL team to a Super Bowl in relatively recent memory. That’s the kind of hire you basically get a free pass for. Especially when you’re the new UI Golden Child AD.

Lovie got enough leash to get us to a bowl and got a quick hook when it was time to go. He was replaced with a proven B1G coach with local ties. I’m optimistic, but he’s got a lot of work to do. He has been doing a lot of things right thus far. I’m fairly certain Josh himself wrote most of the speeches/press releases for all the coaching hires. Everything that was said and done publicly reeked of his direct involvement, from the woeful shortcomings of the Lovie staff right down to the style of writing and punctuation.

Obviously I’m a huge fan of the guy. Everyone that thought he was Gunther-lite really missed the mark. He seems to strike a balance between the few things Gunther did well with the forward looking mindset of someone steeped in the era of modern for-profit college athletics. I like his hands-on approach and accessibility to players. At the same time, he runs a pretty tight ship. His communication is a little robotic and corporate attorney-like at times, and he has the annoying habit of whistling when he says words that have the letter S in them. But the overall messages he conveys shows that he “gets it” at a much higher level than ADs previous. That doesn’t mean he’s going to turn Illinois into a perennial powerhouse in all the sports. He is still working with limited resources relative to our conference foes, let alone nationally, but it’s a huge step in the right direction from a leadership perspective.
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Re: Brad Underwood
« Reply #4 on: March 07, 2021, 10:28:30 PM »
Better asterisk (*) your comment.

Whitman also made arguably the worst hire of a head football coach in Illinois history.

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Re: Brad Underwood
« Reply #5 on: March 07, 2021, 10:30:34 PM »
Holy shit Murph and I agree on something
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Re: Brad Underwood
« Reply #6 on: March 07, 2021, 11:00:03 PM »
Holy shit Murph and I agree on something

Not only did he reverse some great momentum under Mac, he did super mediocre with some ridiculous talent on the defensive side. I mean, Simeon Rice...

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Re: Brad Underwood
« Reply #7 on: March 07, 2021, 11:02:16 PM »
I had pretty much resigned myself to the program being completely ruined, permanently. That we would never see the NCAAs again, that the NIT would be a massive stretch. Last year was a massive gut punch seeing that team make a run that we would actually be in the tourney and then COVID killed it and I assumed Ayo would leave.

Then just like that we are a one seed.

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Re: Brad Underwood
« Reply #8 on: March 08, 2021, 09:11:15 AM »
I think Custard’s assessment is pretty spot on.   Like others, I had concerns and thought Whitman would be looking for a new coach right about now.  But Underwood has proven over the past two years that he can adapt and change his approach to the game.   Let’s hope he can keep the positive momentum going. 

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Re: Brad Underwood
« Reply #9 on: March 08, 2021, 09:42:11 AM »
Yeah, the Lovie hire looks bad in hindsight, but it wasn’t a bad hire at the time. Lovie was an extremely high-ceiling hire, probably higher than any other options that were available to Illinois at the time. Considering where our program was at the time, it was worth the risk.

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Re: Brad Underwood
« Reply #10 on: March 08, 2021, 09:46:15 AM »
Custard makes a good point about talent evaluation too. Underwood (and Antigua) seem to be really good at it. There aren’t a lot of examples of guys Underwood really wanted who turned out to be bums.

The scary thing is, we were pretty close to getting Timme. How crazy would this team be with him on board?

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Re: Brad Underwood
« Reply #11 on: March 08, 2021, 09:56:30 AM »
Like I sad a long time ago (when he got hired by OKST) I said I thought he would have done a good job here, thankfully he left there to come to a real basketball school after only one season.  Took a while to get things going and learn the high major job but damn if he hasn't delivered the last two seasons.  He's changed and definitely surrounded himself with good people, the hiring of Steve Gentry was pretty much the turning point for us I think
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Re: Brad Underwood
« Reply #12 on: March 08, 2021, 10:11:46 AM »
The key is in keeping Coleman and Antigua on staff which isn't going to be easy going forward.

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Re: Brad Underwood
« Reply #13 on: March 08, 2021, 10:21:22 AM »
Gotta hand it to Whitman and Underwood & Co for the resurrection of the program. Whitman is a winner and he hired a winner.

Staff went out and got players, adjusted schemes to fit them, doesn’t overcoach like Weber, doesn’t undercoach like Groce, allows players to make mistakes and grow (other than Hawkins), players know their roles and steadily improve, teams improve throughout season.

Perhaps most importantly he has adjusted his coaching style and personality. Lots of cringey moments those first couple of years. I remember someone saying back then that Brad simply didn’t know how else to handle all the suck he took over. I think that was probably pretty accurate. To his credit he seems to have evolved into more of a players coach that knows when and how to get on his guys. I hate to even say it but he’s kinda like the Bill Self that actually wants to stay in Champaign.

In watching a lot of college basketball this season there are a bunch of good players that we recruited heavily.  And it seems like the better guys we get are rising in the recruiting ratings and tend to play to it whereas the Groce/Weber guys often were falling in rankings and eventually underperformed their HS hype.

One thing I think that gets overlooked is that the dude isn’t afraid to cut bait. If a guy doesn’t fit they move on and get another.

Overall it’s hard not to like what he’s accomplished here. Huge props to the guys who bought in early and are reaping the rewards.

Closing notes:

-Tempo should be pleased not only with the progress of the team but especially the kinder, gentler Brad Underwood.

-ChicagoFan was way wrong on Trent Frazier.

-Fuck Iowa and Michigan

-WE’RE FUCKIN BACK BABY

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Re: Brad Underwood
« Reply #14 on: March 08, 2021, 10:59:21 AM »
There aren’t a lot of examples of guys Underwood really wanted who turned out to be bums.

Who are the ones he didn't really want?