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Big Ten Power rankings

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Re: Big Ten Power rankings
« Reply #30 on: February 06, 2021, 07:43:16 AM »
Is there an inside joke re: "Holman?"

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Re: Big Ten Power rankings
« Reply #31 on: February 06, 2021, 03:40:05 PM »
Is there an inside joke re: "Holman?"

Just a typo. Or perhaps I subconsciously typed a partial name for Coach Holtmann since he has recruited an incomplete team.

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Re: Big Ten Power rankings
« Reply #32 on: February 07, 2021, 09:22:46 PM »
Is there an inside joke re: "Holman?"

I think I started the misspelling. My bad.

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Re: Big Ten Power rankings
« Reply #33 on: February 07, 2021, 09:31:14 PM »
UPDATED February 7, 2021


2 seed/EE capable

Illinois
Michigan

3/4 seed S16 capable

OSU
IOWA

5-11 seed R32 or R64
Wisconsin
Purdue
Rutgers

Bubble
Minnesota
Indiana

Nope

PSU
MD
MSU
NU
Nebraska

Illini on rise with new nasty Kofi and some D finally.
UM drops for being pussies.
Iowa in death spiral until/if Frederick returns
OSU looks good. Not a 1 seed. WTF.

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Re: Big Ten Power rankings
« Reply #34 on: February 08, 2021, 09:58:02 PM »
Agree with everything except Ohio State.  I know they are weak in the paint but they seem to dominate the other 95% of the basketball court.  Their perimeter defense might be the best in the big ten.  8-3 vs. Quad 1 and 4 straight road wins over top 15 teams.

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Re: Big Ten Power rankings
« Reply #35 on: February 09, 2021, 12:30:09 AM »
Agree with everything except Ohio State.  I know they are weak in the paint but they seem to dominate the other 95% of the basketball court.  Their perimeter defense might be the best in the big ten.  8-3 vs. Quad 1 and 4 straight road wins over top 15 teams.

Yeah- I don't quite get it and in this Covid winter I have watched more BIG BB than normal. They look like a solid Top 25 team to me. They do just find a way to win. 9 quad 1 wins now after beating MD which kind of points to what I think is the weirdness in the system.
MD is 10-10 and 4-9 in conference, but is NET 39 and KenPom 44 and still in many brackets to make NCAA. 


Holtmann is good coach and I like watching them. We could be playing them for BTT and a 1 seed on March 6th. 

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Re: Big Ten Power rankings
« Reply #36 on: February 09, 2021, 01:52:17 AM »
Yeah- I don't quite get it and in this Covid winter I have watched more BIG BB than normal. They look like a solid Top 25 team to me. They do just find a way to win. 9 quad 1 wins now after beating MD which kind of points to what I think is the weirdness in the system.
MD is 10-10 and 4-9 in conference, but is NET 39 and KenPom 44 and still in many brackets to make NCAA. 


Holtmann is good coach and I like watching them. We could be playing them for BTT and a 1 seed on March 6th.

Illinois has as good a shot at winning the Big Ten as any team in the conference. The Illini are playing very well and have 3 players that are matchup problems for most other teams.

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Re: Big Ten Power rankings
« Reply #37 on: February 09, 2021, 10:12:41 AM »
Yeah- I don't quite get it and in this Covid winter I have watched more BIG BB than normal. They look like a solid Top 25 team to me. They do just find a way to win. 9 quad 1 wins now after beating MD which kind of points to what I think is the weirdness in the system.
MD is 10-10 and 4-9 in conference, but is NET 39 and KenPom 44 and still in many brackets to make NCAA. 


Holtmann is good coach and I like watching them. We could be playing them for BTT and a 1 seed on March 6th.

It's still better than what the RPI metric once stood for, at least with NET and Kenpom you get efficiency ratings incorporated into team rankings.  Still flawed of course, but a useful tool.  One of the variables that maybe impacting the power 5 rankings this year are the shortage of non-conference mid major opponents.  When you don't have those 3 to 5 games against teams ranked outside the Kenpom 200 range it can really boost your resume above others that do.  It's as if you're assured of no bad losses.  It polarizes the difference between teams of mid majors and power 5 conference because of lack of cross over games that would otherwise provided a better sample size like that of the past.

Purdue had a similar type ranking last year as Maryland and Penn State do this year.  In part just because they are not playing any bad teams and manage to grab just enough key wins to make them relevant.  Maryland had an opportunity last night to really make a push with a victory over Ohio State but was just simply outclassed.  I think both Penn State and Maryland will be top half of the conference next year.
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Re: Big Ten Power rankings
« Reply #38 on: February 09, 2021, 12:44:31 PM »
Its a bizarre year without question. All good points.

IIRC they do use the RPI still in some manner. Not sure how much.
Its a real shitshow.
Mizzou is #2.

http://www.realtimerpi.com/rpi_Men.html

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Re: Big Ten Power rankings
« Reply #39 on: February 14, 2021, 08:56:58 PM »
UPDATED February 14, 2021


1/2 seed/EE or FF capable

Michigan
Illinois

2/3 seed S16 or EE capable

OSU
Iowa

6-8 seed R32
Rutgers

8-11 seed R64
Wisconsin
Purdue


Should be out but apparently rest of country sucks 10/11 seed and lose play in

Minnesota
Indiana

GTFO

PSU
MD
MSU
NU
Nebraska



Michigan and Illinois best teams in conference and FF capable.
Dickinson and Wagner need to produce.
Curbelo needs to calm the fck down for Illinois.

OSU keeps winning and is best coached team in BIG.
Zed Key giving them some inside mojo.

Iowa is sleeper EE if they can get decent minutes out of Frederick again down the stretch and Bohannon pulls head out of ass.

The rest of league tourney teams are not good but Rutgers has most upside.
« Last Edit: February 14, 2021, 09:16:20 PM by Lkdog »

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Re: Big Ten Power rankings
« Reply #40 on: February 15, 2021, 12:15:37 AM »
How much leeway does UM have? Watching them today the were slugging until the 2nd half, and I would expect them to go 3-2 the rest of the schedule.

Of course we end on 2 tough games, so 3-3/4-2 are possible for us...and I'd assume every other team in America but 2.

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Re: Big Ten Power rankings
« Reply #41 on: February 15, 2021, 12:54:58 AM »
How much leeway does UM have? Watching them today the were slugging until the 2nd half, and I would expect them to go 3-2 the rest of the schedule.

Of course we end on 2 tough games, so 3-3/4-2 are possible for us...and I'd assume every other team in America but 2.

They looked really out of sync in first half on both sides of the ball. Surprisingly Howard can really coach. They made some nice adjustments and the extended ball pressure was impressive. I had not seen that before out of them. They outscored Wisconsin by 20 in second half at home and didn't even shoot well. Scary thing is they have been a little out of whack for awhile even before the Covid thing. The Frosh Center had been hitting a wall, and the transfer PG was cooling off. Wagner is spotty shooter, but makes a lot of plays and his length and ball skills are very high. They were still winning as the other guys are very good and multi skilled also. Brown off bench is nice player. If they start hitting on all cylinders look out. They are a very balanced team and can effectively play a lot of ways.

That said- if we get Curbelo under control again, and get contributions from Grandison, Hawkins,DaMonte, at the 4; and Georgi at 4 and 5 we could be very very good also. Our defense has picked up. I really never worried during the Nebraska game. I kind of felt like we had it but were just coasting.  They couldn't guard Kofi or Ayo. Both are playing at higher level than first half of year.
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Re: Big Ten Power rankings
« Reply #42 on: February 15, 2021, 07:15:18 AM »
How much leeway does UM have? Watching them today the were slugging until the 2nd half, and I would expect them to go 3-2 the rest of the schedule.

Of course we end on 2 tough games, so 3-3/4-2 are possible for us...and I'd assume every other team in America but 2.

Three week layoff is tough.  They looked pretty good in the second half.

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Re: Big Ten Power rankings
« Reply #43 on: February 15, 2021, 01:18:32 PM »
Ohio State is the best team in this league until someone beats them again.  I know they dropped 4 early, but they are an absolute machine and one that I think will win out.  Illinois plays to their level of competition so much I'm starting to have nightmares about being that 2 or 3 seed that gets up ended in the first round.  Michigan was impressive after the 3 week layoff but took them better part of half to get going, but Dickenson and Livers looks to be just as dynamic of a force as Kofi and Ayo are to the Illini. 

#1 Ohio St.
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#2 Michigan
#2 Illinois
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#4 Iowa - I know Michigan St. is bad I thought maybe they were playing a little better ball of late and feast on Iowa's lack of defense.  Beating Sparty by 30 on Sparty's own floor could cure the funk they've been in the last 6 games prior.
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#6 Purdue
#7 Rutgers
#8 Wisconsin - I first started watching the Michigan game at the 39-25 point in the first half. F&*$ me for F*&$ing that up.
#9 Indiana - has yet to win 3 straight games or lose 3 straight games this season.  They have a gauntlet to close out the year but I still feel like they will find a way to win a couple with their street fight mentality.  Indy would be a difficult 1st round draw for anyone with the way they defend.
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#11 Maryland - losing to Penn St hurt but I think they should win 4 of their last 5.  Putting them at 15-11 overall and 9-10 in conference.
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Bubbles burst? ...

I still kind of think Minnesota could be left on the outside especially if they only manage to win 2 of their last 5.  That would put them at 15-11 as well but only 8-11 in conference.  Penn State's bubble burst with Nebby finally notching their 1st conference win and Michigan State has their final 6 games of the year vs. NET top 40 teams 3 of them are top 6.  So even at 10-8 overall and 4-8 in the conference if Michigan State wins say 4 of their last 6 do they make it to the NCAA at 14-10 and 8-10 in conference?
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Re: Big Ten Power rankings
« Reply #44 on: February 15, 2021, 03:33:46 PM »
It will be good to see the game on Sunday.