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WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5250 on: April 14, 2023, 03:02:12 PM »
We were told how dangerous ivermectin and hydrozychloroquine were
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5251 on: April 14, 2023, 04:16:34 PM »
Quote from: Mn on April 14, 2023, 03:02:12 PM
We were told how dangerous ivermectin and hydrozychloroquine were

Their manufacturers paid the wrong "influencers."
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5252 on: April 14, 2023, 04:26:08 PM »
Quote from: Mn on April 14, 2023, 03:02:12 PM
We were told how dangerous ivermectin and hydrozychloroquine were

Next they'll tell us drinking urine doesn't work either...
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5253 on: April 14, 2023, 04:47:24 PM »
Quote from: alum74 on April 14, 2023, 04:26:08 PM
Next they'll tell us drinking urine doesn't work either...
Good chance they would be correct about it too, and people wouldn't argue it.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5254 on: April 14, 2023, 04:48:56 PM »
So we’ve come to the conclusion Covid was mostly a hoax, right?
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5255 on: April 14, 2023, 07:10:27 PM »
Quote from: Mn on April 14, 2023, 03:02:12 PM
We were told how dangerous ivermectin and hydrozychloroquine were

Ivermectin is potentially dangerous if someone uses a dose intended for use in veterinary medicine.

Both are potentially dangerous is that they aren't effective when used off label as either prevention or a treatment for Covid.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5256 on: April 14, 2023, 09:16:38 PM »
Quote from: illiniray on April 14, 2023, 07:10:27 PM
Ivermectin is potentially dangerous if someone uses a dose intended for use in veterinary medicine.

Both are potentially dangerous is that they aren't effective when used off label as either prevention or a treatment for Covid.
Restrict sales of the veterinary product rather than the human product.

Both are relatively safe when taken as prescribed and have been around for decades. They were a couple of the suggestions before the vaccines were available.
Studies were inconclusive.
For those who caught Covid there was no recommended therapy.

The EUA for the vaccines couldn't be approved if there was available therapy. We didn't know if either were/weren't effective and we didn't know what the vaccine uptake would be.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5257 on: April 14, 2023, 09:59:58 PM »
Quote from: Mn on April 14, 2023, 09:16:38 PM
Restrict sales of the veterinary product rather than the human product.

Both are relatively safe when taken as prescribed and have been around for decades. They were a couple of the suggestions before the vaccines were available.
Studies were inconclusive.
For those who caught Covid there was no recommended therapy.

The EUA for the vaccines couldn't be approved if there was available therapy. We didn't know if either were/weren't effective and we didn't know what the vaccine uptake would be.

High quality, randomized controlled trials have shown no evidence of a clinical benefit for ivermectin.
https://www.factcheck.org/2022/09/scicheck-clinical-trials-show-ivermectin-does-not-benefit-covid-19-patients-contrary-to-social-media-claims/

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5258 on: April 14, 2023, 10:05:00 PM »
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5259 on: April 14, 2023, 11:16:41 PM »
Quote from: Mn on April 14, 2023, 10:05:00 PM
Cool. Sept of 2022.

Here’s another more recently published randomized, placebo-controlled study confirming ivermectin doesn’t work for COVID.  Expect more like this. 
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2801827. 

Now when will we be getting the scientific reports on gargling with Clorox and installing interior lighting?



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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5260 on: April 15, 2023, 12:45:31 AM »
So Mn is pro-Ivermectin. Got it.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5261 on: April 15, 2023, 07:14:54 AM »
Quote from: alum74 on April 14, 2023, 11:16:41 PM
Here’s another more recently published randomized, placebo-controlled study confirming ivermectin doesn’t work for COVID.  Expect more like this. 
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2801827. 

Now when will we be getting the scientific reports on gargling with Clorox and installing interior lighting?




83% were double vaccinated in this study.
What about studies finished before vaccines were available ?
The pandemic had been with us for about a year before vaccines were becoming widely available.

Ventilators were widely used early and poor results reduced their use. I don't remember public health officials saying early that ventilators should not be used because there were no conclusive studies showing effectiveness.
Steroids were used pre-vaccines, with no prior conclusive studies regarding effectiveness.
Azithromycin was an early hope pre-vaccines, but was shown to be ineffective.

The first year of dealing with the Covid pandemic was trial and error.


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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5262 on: April 15, 2023, 07:46:48 AM »
And at UW-Madison .......

"The ultimate goal of this work was to help protect the world from future pandemics, and the research was supported with words and funding by two of the most prominent scientists in the United States: Dr. Francis S. Collins, director of the National Institutes of Health, and Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the NIH’s National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases."

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2023/04/11/lab-leak-accident-h-5-n-1-virus-avian-flu-experiment/11354399002/
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5263 on: April 15, 2023, 08:34:45 AM »
Quote from: Mn on April 15, 2023, 07:14:54 AM
83% were double vaccinated in this study.
What about studies finished before vaccines were available ?
The pandemic had been with us for about a year before vaccines were becoming widely available.

Ventilators were widely used early and poor results reduced their use. I don't remember public health officials saying early that ventilators should not be used because there were no conclusive studies showing effectiveness.
Steroids were used pre-vaccines, with no prior conclusive studies regarding effectiveness.
Azithromycin was an early hope pre-vaccines, but was shown to be ineffective.

The first year of dealing with the Covid pandemic was trial and error.

You’re grasping at straws. Those early pre-vaccine studies were shown to be methodologically flawed (observational, small, conflict of interest, lack of peer review, etc.).  The meta analyses were garbage in, garbage out. 

The scientific community did come to the consensus that ivermectin should be investigated for treating COVID patients, but  they said to do it right with large, double-blind randomized controlled trials.   So far it doesn’t look good.   The current best evidence shows that ivermectin is unlikely to have a clinically meaningful benefit in the treatment of COVID.   


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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5264 on: April 15, 2023, 08:39:37 AM »
We can break Covid down pretty simply. More Ivermectin. More Fox News. Less Fauci.
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