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WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5100 on: February 11, 2023, 05:35:58 PM »
Mandela effect.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5101 on: February 11, 2023, 05:53:17 PM »
Different people have a different understanding of what they see, read, and hear. That is why eye witness testimony is unreliable.

I have always thought that masks, social distancing, and vaccines, and boosters reduced the risk of Covid infection, transmission, hospitalization, and death. I never had the impression they would prevent it 100%. I was also never surprised that we sometimes got conflicting or confusing information from the experts.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5102 on: February 11, 2023, 07:03:36 PM »
Quote from: Mn on February 11, 2023, 08:27:47 AM
If only they would have told us the vaccine may help prevent hospitalization and death and not make the other promises, it's quite possible that vaccine acceptance would be higher and perceptions of the NIAID, NIH and CDC would be better.
But vaccines were mandated to continue employment, to get on a plane, to get a vaccine passport. People were ridiculed, lost their jobs, committed suicide due to economic despair. All for false promises over a vaccine that would prove to be no better than the 14-60% efficacious flu vaccines.

"The vaccine will stop you from being hospitalized and dying and limit spread" = "Not taking it"

"The vaccine will stop you from being hospitalized and dying"  = ok I'll take it

Also - the people who refused to take it because it was going to alter their DNA? You wonder why they were ridiculed?
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5103 on: February 11, 2023, 07:06:33 PM »
Quote from: Custard on February 11, 2023, 05:09:58 PM
They (the manufacturers, media, and the government all the way up to the president) oversold the benefits and capabilities of the vaccine. Capabilities that scientists have known for decades were impossible to achieve against this type of pathogen without some sort of radical new technology. But carry on, leftist propaganda bot. The meme I posted earlier is literally you and Ray.

The data is there. The people who were in hospitals and morgues after the vaccines came out where the people who didn't get vaccinated. If that's "overselling" please return your diploma, you're an embarrassment to the University
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5104 on: February 11, 2023, 11:43:46 PM »
Keep moving those goalposts, guys.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5105 on: February 12, 2023, 06:52:30 AM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on February 11, 2023, 09:05:37 AM
Mn, Alum, thoughts on this?

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/08/health/covid-drug-eiger-interferon.html

A new drug quashes all coronavirus variants. But regulatory hurdles and a lack of funding make it unlikely to reach the U.S. market anytime soon.

Today's fishwrap has a version of the article.

"A scenario that would require many years and much more funding" sounds too much like we don't do no treatments, just vaccines.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5106 on: February 12, 2023, 07:41:07 AM »
The year is 2023, where the Occupy Wall Street people now defend Big Evil
Corporations to the death.

Would have made a good Twilight Zone episode.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5107 on: February 12, 2023, 07:46:58 AM »
Quote from: murphstahoe on February 11, 2023, 07:06:33 PM
The data is there. The people who were in hospitals and morgues after the vaccines came out where the people who didn't get vaccinated. If that's "overselling" please return your diploma, you're an embarrassment to the University

No one here is saying they had no value, and what you said here basically just reinforces what Mn has been saying. They didn’t just say it reduced hospitalizations and deaths, there were TV commercials and radio spots and and social media ads and members of government that told us it did way more than that. Like, absolutely smothered us with it.

Not too long after the period you are describing, the people who were in hospitals and morgues became a lot more vaccinated. But that didn’t get much coverage for some reason.

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5108 on: February 12, 2023, 09:54:02 AM »
Quote from: Custard on February 12, 2023, 07:41:07 AM
The year is 2023, where the Occupy Wall Street people now defend Big Evil
Corporations to the death.

Would have made a good Twilight Zone episode.

Explain.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5109 on: February 12, 2023, 09:55:19 AM »
Quote from: Custard on February 12, 2023, 07:46:58 AM
No one here is saying they had no value, and what you said here basically just reinforces what Mn has been saying. They didn’t just say it reduced hospitalizations and deaths, there were TV commercials and radio spots and and social media ads and members of government that told us it did way more than that. Like, absolutely smothered us with it.

Not too long after the period you are describing, the people who were in hospitals and morgues became a lot more vaccinated. But that didn’t get much coverage for some reason.

Can you provide a handful of links to those promises? And not just say, one quote or so.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5110 on: February 12, 2023, 12:52:26 PM »
Quote from: Custard on February 12, 2023, 07:46:58 AM
Not too long after the period you are describing, the people who were in hospitals and morgues became a lot more vaccinated. But that didn’t get much coverage for some reason.

Correct by construction, the unvaccinated died, and over time vaccination rates continued to climb. If 100% of people are vaccinated, no unvaccinated people will be hospitalized.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5111 on: February 12, 2023, 12:57:13 PM »
Quote from: Custard on February 12, 2023, 07:41:07 AM
The year is 2023, where the Occupy Wall Street people now defend Big Evil
Corporations to the death.

Would have made a good Twilight Zone episode.

This makes a good word salad. Meanwhile, Joe Biden says that Rick Scott wants to cut medicare and Scott says that Biden *actually* cut medicare - because the total money going into medicare is less, despite benefits being the same. Scott - the leader of the GOP RSCC has one problem - the amount of money going to Big Evil Corporations was reduced.

The vaccine program can be fine and the drug companies still are problematic, for the costs to disburse things like Insulin, or creating the opiod epidemic. These can co-exist.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5112 on: February 12, 2023, 12:58:05 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on February 12, 2023, 09:55:19 AM
Can you provide a handful of links to those promises? And not just say, one quote or so.

Tucker Carlson said it happened, ergo it did.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5113 on: February 12, 2023, 01:04:48 PM »
Quote from: Custard on February 12, 2023, 07:41:07 AM
The year is 2023, where the Occupy Wall Street people now defend Big Evil
Corporations to the death.

Would have made a good Twilight Zone episode.

2022 was the year that the mainstream right joined with left wing looks to become pro-Russia and
antivax.

It isn't wingnuts versus moonbats. In this case they appear to be largely in agreement and equally misinformed.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5114 on: February 12, 2023, 01:23:41 PM »
Quote from: Custard on February 12, 2023, 07:46:58 AM
No one here is saying they had no value, and what you said here basically just reinforces what Mn has been saying. They didn’t just say it reduced hospitalizations and deaths, there were TV commercials and radio spots and and social media ads and members of government that told us it did way more than that. Like, absolutely smothered us with it.

Not too long after the period you are describing, the people who were in hospitals and morgues became a lot more vaccinated. But that didn’t get much coverage for some reason.

I am glad we agree they have value. That is not the message the grass roots right is getting. They think the vaccines change their DNA and cause heart attacks. They also promote natural immunity and livestock dewormer.

As for what spokes-persons said and when, it got chaotic and confusing. There were mixed messages and poorly worded messages. One release from the CDC implied getting the common cold could result in a positive antibody test for COVID-19.

There were different understandings of what words like  prevent and immunity mean. 

This is normal for the United States because there is always going to be  different opinions and we have a free market of ideas.

Of course as vaccination rates increase, there will be more vaccinated who are hospitalized or die.

There is less Covid coverage in general.
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