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WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5055 on: January 28, 2023, 12:01:17 PM »
"Coronaviruses are a large family of viruses that usually cause mild to moderate upper-respiratory tract illnesses in humans. However, three coronaviruses have caused more serious and fatal disease in people: SARS coronavirus (SARS-CoV), which emerged in November 2002 and causes severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS); MERS coronavirus (MERS-CoV), which emerged in 2012 and causes Middle East respiratory syndrome (MERS); and SARS-CoV-2, which emerged in 2019 and causes coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19)."

https://www.niaid.nih.gov/diseases-conditions/coronaviruses

A human retrovirus first appeared about 1959 and has killed 40 million. There are a couple other human retroviruses as well as primate and other nonhuman retroviruses. No one specifically predicted the AIDS pandemic, but it was not strange or mysterious that it happened.


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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5056 on: January 28, 2023, 12:07:27 PM »
Quote from: Mn on January 28, 2023, 11:17:36 AM
Did anyone think millions of deaths would be attributed to a virus with no evidence of existence before the fall of 2019 ?

https://www.businessinsider.com/people-who-seemingly-predicted-the-coronavirus-pandemic-2020-3
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5057 on: January 28, 2023, 12:21:07 PM »
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5058 on: January 28, 2023, 01:34:10 PM »
Quote from: illiniray on January 28, 2023, 11:09:15 AM
Does anyone honestly believe Big Pharma is deliberately infecting the public with bioengineered coronavirus variants, or plans to do so on the future, so they can keep selling us updated vaccines?

Does anyone believe they are doing studies to anticipate future natural variants before they occur, so they can preemptively develop vaccines  and other treatments?

Does anyone trust either Pfizer or Project Veritas?

I work on what is pretty much the most leading edge semiconductor technology that exists, which equates to some of the most leading edge and difficult technology there is. I can look around the group of a couple thousand people working on a GPU and can assert with 100% confidence that the sort of conspiracy people attribute to Pfizer simply could not exist.

Our team is populated with very smart people and we do a very good job of protecting company confidentiality, and there is no way such a conspiracy would not become very public. People like Mn seem to believe that there is some sort of Men In Black or James Bond lab out there with a cabal of hyperintelligent humans with no backstory or family who just sort of exist in a weird alien vacuum and invent things that run society.

I ride bikes with a guy whose curriculum vitae includes...
While working at Palm and helping with the due diligence on the HP acquisition, told half a dozen of us on the train, within earshot of 20-30 more people, that he was having a shitty week because he had to do a dog an pony show for execs who were buying the company but his boss still wants him to get his work done" - basically leaking an acquisition a week before it happened.

While working at Apple, looks at his sushi lunch and thinks the light off the sushi looks just perfect so he snaps a photo with his (Prototype, unreleased) iPhone and posts it on Flickr. Bots scraping metadata from online photos detect the photo is from an unreleased phone, giving away the details - resolution, colors, etc - of the camera on the new phone a couple of weeks before Jobs is supposed to present it to the world.

This guy is brilliant. As are the people at Pfizer. But they are humans. A group that large cannot keep such a secret.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5059 on: January 28, 2023, 05:32:53 PM »
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« Reply #5060 on: January 29, 2023, 01:19:53 PM »
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5061 on: January 29, 2023, 01:23:56 PM »
Quote from: murphstahoe on January 29, 2023, 01:19:53 PM
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Was it one of them there tandem bicycles?
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5062 on: February 03, 2023, 03:09:26 PM »
Quote from: illiniray on March 11, 2020, 07:51:50 PM
An evil part of me hopes the idiots who downplay this get it and die. Then I repent.

That certainly happened in quite a few cases.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5063 on: February 03, 2023, 03:10:40 PM »
Quote from: illinicalvin on March 11, 2020, 09:21:17 PM
So we basically have a disease that spreads very easily w/ a 2-week incubation and will kill a disproportionate part of our at-risk population. While I get it, I'm actually not sure cancelling large public events is the best idea. Part of me thinks we should be encouraging our healthiest people to acquire it early to build herd immunity with the strongest part of the population, but I'm also not an epidemiologist and I'd rather have a 0% chance of dying than a 0.1% chance.

Unfortunately, this is the exact scenario where you don't want someone like Donald Trump in charge, not even b/c of his politics, but b/c his personality prefers gut instinct to forethought and his ego plays a high role in decision-making even as the experts are trying to teach him about exponents.

But while I'm at it, healthcare reliant on insurance and the private sector is not well built to handle these sorts of situations.

A little too spot on.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5064 on: February 03, 2023, 03:39:01 PM »
So another one that agreed with the Great Barrington well before it was announced and blackballed.

Our health care system is actually pretty robust. The shortage of staff was mainly due to years of pressure to run as lean as possible…which was then compounded with overworked staffers who quit…which was further compounded by forcing tens of thousands of professionals out of their careers for refusing the vaccine. Most of whom had been on the front lines from day 1 and had already acquired it at some point and recovered. Meaning they had as good or better protection than the vaccinated. They were already being temp tested daily and wearing PPE, which we were told was effective.

You simply cannot have a health care system that’s all geared up for a pandemic all the time, regardless of its a single payer or not. It’s also insanely idiotic to throttle your own ability to take care of people by shedding the professionals we need to take care of people during the heat of battle.

Then you have the sheer venomous hatred from people on the left that actually bought their leaders’ propaganda that it was “a pandemic of the unvaccinated” which only served to create  even more reluctance and skepticism and division.

Sure there is plenty of room for improvement in our health care system but it’s not as bad as it’s made out to be. Last September I hurt my knee and went to the orthopaedic walk in clinic. Immediately saw a doctor and had x rays done. Came back for a CT scan a few days later, saw doctor immediately. Got a diagnosis and was administered a cortisone shot on the spot. I probably didn’t spend more than an hour total in three visits, got excellent care and lasting relief in a new clean facility, and the bill was under $1000. I feel that type of experience probably wouldn’t happen with socialized medicine.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5065 on: February 03, 2023, 04:39:02 PM »
Quote from: Custard on February 03, 2023, 03:39:01 PM
Sure there is plenty of room for improvement in our health care system but it’s not as bad as it’s made out to be. Last September I hurt my knee and went to the orthopaedic walk in clinic. Immediately saw a doctor and had x rays done. Came back for a CT scan a few days later, saw doctor immediately. Got a diagnosis and was administered a cortisone shot on the spot. I probably didn’t spend more than an hour total in three visits, got excellent care and lasting relief in a new clean facility, and the bill was under $1000. I feel that type of experience probably wouldn’t happen with socialized medicine.

Feels like that's what I would get with socialized medicine. Since we have a system that favors people who work at monster Fortune 500 companies, had this happened to me I would have been in an MRI machine within 45 minutes.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5066 on: February 03, 2023, 04:59:23 PM »
Socialized Medicine literally refers to British style healthcare, though is often used loosely to refer to Canadian style national health insurance.

Brits and Canadians would probably both have a similar experience, except their bill would be zero.

Of course, we could point to underserved people in Canada and the United States.

I am not sure if I could go straight to an immediate care facility. Most likely would need a referral to orthopedics from my primary care physician.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5067 on: February 03, 2023, 07:27:14 PM »
Quote from: Custard on February 03, 2023, 03:39:01 PM
So another one that agreed with the Great Barrington well before it was announced and blackballed.

Our health care system is actually pretty robust. The shortage of staff was mainly due to years of pressure to run as lean as possible…which was then compounded with overworked staffers who quit…which was further compounded by forcing tens of thousands of professionals out of their careers for refusing the vaccine. Most of whom had been on the front lines from day 1 and had already acquired it at some point and recovered. Meaning they had as good or better protection than the vaccinated. They were already being temp tested daily and wearing PPE, which we were told was effective.

You simply cannot have a health care system that’s all geared up for a pandemic all the time, regardless of its a single payer or not. It’s also insanely idiotic to throttle your own ability to take care of people by shedding the professionals we need to take care of people during the heat of battle.

Then you have the sheer venomous hatred from people on the left that actually bought their leaders’ propaganda that it was “a pandemic of the unvaccinated” which only served to create  even more reluctance and skepticism and division.

Sure there is plenty of room for improvement in our health care system but it’s not as bad as it’s made out to be. Last September I hurt my knee and went to the orthopaedic walk in clinic. Immediately saw a doctor and had x rays done. Came back for a CT scan a few days later, saw doctor immediately. Got a diagnosis and was administered a cortisone shot on the spot. I probably didn’t spend more than an hour total in three visits, got excellent care and lasting relief in a new clean facility, and the bill was under $1000. I feel that type of experience probably wouldn’t happen with socialized medicine.

Great Barrington Declaration = naďve and dangerous.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5068 on: February 03, 2023, 08:44:19 PM »
Good thing the vaccine helped prevent deaths and worse healthcare outcomes!
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5069 on: February 04, 2023, 04:42:53 AM »
Lulz the “Great Barrington Declaration” was drafted at the American Institute for Economic Research (AIER) in Great Barrington, Massachusetts,
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