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WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #4710 on: October 08, 2022, 07:07:59 PM »
Quote from: Mn on October 08, 2022, 02:20:55 PM
"This analysis found that there is an 84% increase in the relative incidence of cardiac-related death among males 18-39 years old within 28 days following mRNA vaccination.....
As such, the State Surgeon General recommends against males aged 18 to 39 from receiving mRNA COVID-19 vaccines. Those with preexisting cardiac conditions, such as myocarditis and pericarditis, should take particular caution when making this decision."
https://content.govdelivery.com/accounts/FLDOH/bulletins/3312697

It will be interesting to see how this analysis is received in the medical research community.  Ladapo’s past vaccine recommendations have been less than stellar.

COVID researchers: Florida ‘cherry-picked’ our work in kid vaccine recommendation
https://www.tampabay.com/news/health/2022/03/11/covid-researchers-say-florida-cherry-picked-facts-in-child-vaccine-advice/

A column by Florida's former surgeon general contradicts the state’s vaccine guidance for minors
https://news.wgcu.org/2022-05-05/a-column-by-floridas-former-surgeon-general-contradicts-the-states-vaccine-guidance-for-minors

Doctors push back against Florida's recommendation against COVID vaccines for children
https://thenationaldesk.com/news/americas-news-now/doctors-push-back-against-floridas-recommendation-against-covid-vaccines-for-children

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #4711 on: October 08, 2022, 10:29:11 PM »
Quote from: alum74 on October 08, 2022, 07:07:59 PM
It will be interesting to see how this analysis is received in the medical research community.  Ladapo’s past vaccine recommendations have been less than stellar.

COVID researchers: Florida ‘cherry-picked’ our work in kid vaccine recommendation
https://www.tampabay.com/news/health/2022/03/11/covid-researchers-say-florida-cherry-picked-facts-in-child-vaccine-advice/

A column by Florida's former surgeon general contradicts the state’s vaccine guidance for minors
https://news.wgcu.org/2022-05-05/a-column-by-floridas-former-surgeon-general-contradicts-the-states-vaccine-guidance-for-minors

Doctors push back against Florida's recommendation against COVID vaccines for children
https://thenationaldesk.com/news/americas-news-now/doctors-push-back-against-floridas-recommendation-against-covid-vaccines-for-children


This is 3 articles from this spring. The guidance announced is with regard to mRNA (not Novavax or Johnson and Johnson's) vaccines, and was announced yesterday.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #4712 on: October 12, 2022, 11:52:07 AM »
Pfizer rep, sitting in for Bouria, says the vaccine was not tested regarding reducing or preventing transmission of the virus.
She was not asked about the transmission of $$$$.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1579830040858329089
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #4713 on: October 12, 2022, 12:25:51 PM »
Quote from: Mn on October 12, 2022, 11:52:07 AM
Pfizer rep, sitting in for Bouria, says the vaccine was not tested regarding reducing or preventing transmission of the virus.
She was not asked about the transmission of $$$$.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1579830040858329089

Looks like a Twitter site for COVID frothers.  As long as the vaccine helps me avoid serious illness, hospitalization and death, I’m good.   
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #4714 on: October 12, 2022, 01:03:06 PM »
Quote from: alum74 on October 12, 2022, 12:25:51 PM
Looks like a Twitter site for COVID frothers.  As long as the vaccine helps me avoid serious illness, hospitalization and death, I’m good.

 Dogs are immune to poison oak. Most humans are not. But dogs sure as hell can give you poison oak if it's on their fur. Their immunity is not a force shield, it just means they don't get a rash.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #4715 on: October 17, 2022, 11:28:28 PM »
Quote from: alum74 on October 12, 2022, 12:25:51 PM
Looks like a Twitter site for COVID frothers.  As long as the vaccine helps me avoid serious illness, hospitalization and death, I’m good.

The vaccines were never tested (for approval purposes) for 1) sterilizing immunity or 2) effect on transmission.  They were tested solely to determine whether or not they gave protection against severe illness.  It was later found, at least before Delta/Omicron, that the original round of vaccines had a fairly robust sterlizing immunity for an amount of time, which was a nice bonus.  But that was never the point.  It was to keep symptoms to a dull roar and keep people out of the hospital as much as possible.

Unfortunately we had a family friend that was from a staunch anti-vax family and as a result an otherwise healthy 35 year old woman died on New Year's Eve 2021 about 2 weeks after testing positive and left behind two young daughters.  At that point I lost every ounce of patience with the anti-vax BS.  It is a small sample size for sure but it's striking that it took a healthy 35-year-old woman (unvaxxed) in 2 weeks.  Tragic and insanely avoidable.  My wife caught it 2 days after school started this year (she is a teacher's aid) and she had very mild symptoms for about 2 days.  I got the omicron booster back in August and I had the chills and aches for a couple days but well worth it.  And my 5G has never been stronger.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #4716 on: October 18, 2022, 07:08:42 AM »
We'll see how this plays out.
Maybe.
And the rebuttal is not that their work may increase the pathogenicity of Omicron, but rather that they are seeing a reduction in the pathogenicity of the strain that we no longer see, the original strain.

From the pre-print.
"We generated chimeric recombinant SARS-CoV-2 encoding the S gene of Omicron in the backbone of an ancestral SARS-CoV-2 isolate and compared this virus with the naturally circulating Omicron variant. The Omicron S-bearing virus robustly escapes vaccine-induced humoral immunity, mainly due to mutations in the receptor binding motif (RBM), yet unlike naturally occurring Omicron, efficiently replicates in cell  lines and primary-like distal lung cells. In K18-hACE2 mice, while Omicron causes mild,
non-fatal infection, the Omicron S-carrying virus inflicts severe disease with a mortality rate of 80%."

https://www.statnews.com/2022/10/17/boston-university-researchers-testing-of-lab-made-version-of-covid-virus-draws-government-scrutiny/

"But it has become apparent that the research team did not clear the work with the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, which was one of the funders of the project. The agency indicated it is going to be looking for some answers as to why it first learned of the work through media reports.
Emily Erbelding, director of NIAID’s division of microbiology and infectious diseases, said the BU team’s original grant applications did not specify that the scientists wanted to do this precise work. Nor did the group make clear that it was doing experiments that might involve enhancing a pathogen of pandemic potential in the progress reports it provided to NIAID.
“I think we’re going to have conversations over upcoming days,” Erbelding told STAT in an interview."

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #4717 on: October 18, 2022, 09:13:19 AM »
Jesus 🤦🏻
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #4718 on: October 18, 2022, 09:23:40 AM »
Quote from: Custard on October 18, 2022, 09:13:19 AM
Jesus 🤦🏻
Mary and Joseph should be arriving soon.  :D
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #4719 on: October 18, 2022, 09:30:13 AM »
Quote from: Mn on October 18, 2022, 07:08:42 AM
We'll see how this plays out.
Maybe.
And the rebuttal is not that their work may increase the pathogenicity of Omicron, but rather that they are seeing a reduction in the pathogenicity of the strain that we no longer see, the original strain.

From the pre-print.
"We generated chimeric recombinant SARS-CoV-2 encoding the S gene of Omicron in the backbone of an ancestral SARS-CoV-2 isolate and compared this virus with the naturally circulating Omicron variant. The Omicron S-bearing virus robustly escapes vaccine-induced humoral immunity, mainly due to mutations in the receptor binding motif (RBM), yet unlike naturally occurring Omicron, efficiently replicates in cell  lines and primary-like distal lung cells. In K18-hACE2 mice, while Omicron causes mild,
non-fatal infection, the Omicron S-carrying virus inflicts severe disease with a mortality rate of 80%."

https://www.statnews.com/2022/10/17/boston-university-researchers-testing-of-lab-made-version-of-covid-virus-draws-government-scrutiny/

"But it has become apparent that the research team did not clear the work with the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, which was one of the funders of the project. The agency indicated it is going to be looking for some answers as to why it first learned of the work through media reports.
Emily Erbelding, director of NIAID’s division of microbiology and infectious diseases, said the BU team’s original grant applications did not specify that the scientists wanted to do this precise work. Nor did the group make clear that it was doing experiments that might involve enhancing a pathogen of pandemic potential in the progress reports it provided to NIAID.
“I think we’re going to have conversations over upcoming days,” Erbelding told STAT in an interview."

Were they also working in Wuhan about 3 years ago?
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #4720 on: October 18, 2022, 04:16:13 PM »
https://www.cnn.com/2022/10/18/politics/durham-investigation-igor-danchenko-trial/index.html

Primary source for Trump-Russia dossier acquitted, handing special counsel Durham another trial loss

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Durham has taken two cases to trial, and both have ended in acquittals. After more than three years looking for misconduct in the FBI’s Trump-Russia probe, Durham has only secured one conviction: the guilty plea of a low-level FBI lawyer, who got probation.
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In many ways, the verdict is a direct blow to Durham, who personally handled most of the arguments and witness questioning. The proceedings were rocky at times for the special counsel, who lashed out at some of his own witnesses after they ended up providing testimony that helped Danchenko’s defense.
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FBI agents described their efforts to corroborate the Steele dossier, which ultimately came up empty. Jurors were shown portions of Steele’s memos, which he has previously said weren’t ever meant to become public. The dossier’s primary allegation – that there was a “well-developed conspiracy of cooperation” between Donald Trump and the Russians – repeatedly came up throughout the proceedings.
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Durham also used the case to put the FBI on trial, in what could be a preview of his upcoming final report. He zeroed in on the shortcomings and errors of the early Trump-Russia probe – specifically the bureau’s overreliance on the dossier to propel forward some key parts of their burgeoning inquiry.
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Danchenko is a Russian citizen but has lived in the US for years with his family. The FBI once scrutinized him as a possible counterintelligence threat, but later paid him as an informant. Durham pressed Danchenko’s FBI handler about the possibility that he was a Russian spy. To the contrary, the witness said Danchenko was a treasured FBI informant and suggested that Durham hurt US national security by indicting him.




Chump Edit: Looks like I pulled a The Tempo here!
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #4721 on: October 22, 2022, 07:20:17 AM »
Ralph Baric discusses 'no see 'em' technology, among other things, in 2020 ...
https://twitter.com/i/status/1453794704412184593

Do not read this 2015 article with co-authors Ralph Baric and Zheng-Li Shi tho.
https://www.nature.com/articles/nm.3985
"30 March 2020 Editors’ note, March 2020: We are aware that this article is being used as the basis for unverified theories that the novel coronavirus causing COVID-19 was engineered. There is no evidence that this is true; scientists believe that an animal is the most likely source of the coronavirus."

And do not read the "corrigendum".

Meanwhile, a couple of days ago ...
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #4722 on: October 27, 2022, 09:28:20 PM »
A Senate Minority Oversight committee report on the origin of Covid.

https://t.co/glp1ovZ7sX
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #4723 on: October 27, 2022, 09:34:01 PM »
Quote from: Mn on October 27, 2022, 09:28:20 PM
A Senate Minority Oversight committee report on the origin of Covid.

https://t.co/glp1ovZ7sX

How about a summary? I don't want to download this as it may contain viruses.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #4724 on: October 27, 2022, 09:56:28 PM »
Lol
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