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WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #4425 on: February 28, 2022, 11:18:21 AM »
Well it doesn’t matter anymore in Illinois after today. Vaccine mandates and COVID seem to just magically disappear. How ironic! Oh unbelievable actually. How they forced all those people to get it or be fired. Now they don’t even care. Weird, huh 🤔 🤷🏻‍♂️
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #4426 on: February 28, 2022, 11:32:43 AM »
Quote from: Custard on February 28, 2022, 10:24:50 AM
Yeah they needed the case numbers to drop so they could more safely go to war.

How you gonna get troops to willingly sit in tanks and armored troop carriers for days on end with Omicron being so prevalent?

Aren't they all vaxxed with that cheap ass Socviet vaccine that no ones knows what is in it?  ;)
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #4427 on: February 28, 2022, 11:53:49 AM »
Quote from: Mn on February 27, 2022, 10:54:45 PM
TY.
And I am old enough to remember when the concept of 'natural immunity' was scoffed at.
I think that was before the 2022 elections became a consideration.

You have no "natural immunity" inherently. You develop immunity, in one of two manners

1) getting infected
2) getting vaccinated

Those both trigger an immune system response. Either way, it's a natural process.

The first might also trigger illness and death, however.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #4428 on: February 28, 2022, 11:56:20 AM »
Apparently the QAnon crew thinks Putin is doing god's work by invading Ukraine and destroying Biden's American COVID factories.

The only "American COVID factories" are the bodies of the unvaccinated.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #4429 on: February 28, 2022, 12:21:41 PM »
Quote from: Custard on February 27, 2022, 10:12:27 PM
We are fortunate to live in a time where we aren’t completely subject to only receiving news and information from a handful of carefully curated sources that are bought and paid for by big money/government interests.

I believe MN and Alum are roughly the same generation, but obviously have completely different perspectives.

Alum seems to be totally content with the media he trusted during his formative years. The refusal to question anything about anything and then backing it up with multiple links from those outlets kind of supports that. I’m just surprised there’s nothing about this that hasn’t triggered any of Alum’s spidey senses, whatsoever.

But I think for most people it’s easier to just fervently latch onto something because it feels good and it prevents the anxiety of having to consider the alternatives at any great length. I believe Sartre may have had some decent insight on this line of thinking.

MN did what he was told but also isn’t afraid to ask some questions or do a little digging. I did what I was told and a lot of things didn’t add up for me, either. So I started questioning the narrative. I understand I have different viewpoint than some others here because I’m not really an at-risk person, nor are my children. And I’ve always been an advocate of those who are at risk and those who are close to them doing everything they can to exercise caution. Seems reasonable to me given the science and data we’ve been shown, but that isn’t what others deem reasonable. That’s okay.

But this argument of “oh you’re an epidemiologist now?” Or “armchair virologist” stuff is just deflection. We have enormous information from all kinds of legitimate resources at our fingertips these days.

The micro aspect of virology and epidemiology are pretty intense. But it doesn’t take a PhD to grasp the basic concepts. Pandemics are nothing new and a novel coronavirus doesn’t just rewrite the collective pandemic rulebook. Oftentimes the basic concepts seemed at odds with the practices being preached.

There were legitimate professionals questioning the narrative throughout and the fervor with which they were shouted down/cancelled/blackballed only served to create more questions and suspicion. While legitimate people were calling things into question and being shouted down, we had government leaders and influencers (also not virologists or epidemiologists) openly flaunting their own mandates.

Now there seems to be ever increasing streams of damaging information coming about from a wide array of sources that the media is trying desperately to suppress. And Pfizer still owns the prestige of garnering the largest criminal fine ever levied. But we should trust them, they just want us to be healthy.

And then Ukraine conveniently happens.

Nothing to see here.

== Now there seems to be ever increasing streams of damaging information coming about from a wide array of sources that the media is trying desperately to suppress. ==

== There were legitimate professionals questioning the narrative throughout and the fervor with which they were shouted down/cancelled/blackballed only served to create more questions and suspicion. ==

== And then Ukraine conveniently happens. ==

That’s some serious conspiracy theory nonsense.  The New Yorker, Vanity Fair, NYT, WSJ and several other publications wrote early on about the possibility that COVID-19 leaked from the Wuhan Institute of Virology.   Even Sleepy Joe ordered his intelligence agency to "redouble" efforts to investigate the origins of the virus, including the theory that it came from a laboratory.

I hate to break it to you, but scientists often disagree with each other - that is part of the scientific process.  Publishing evidence-based opinions in scientific journals is the platform for that evidence-based disagreement.  The problem is that the origins debate has spilled over to social media and political world where armchair virologists acquire most of their information to support their confirmation bias. 

So by all means MN and you should keep “asking questions.”   Just be aware that only scientific research will shed light on how the virus arrived in Wuhan.   

And that will require co-operation from the Chinese authorities.  They need to be far more forthcoming about what they know about the early epidemic in Wuhan at the tail end of 2019.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #4430 on: February 28, 2022, 12:21:54 PM »
Now I'm wondering if Custard even reads the articles QAnon97 posts. While I understand and appreciate Mn's point and skepticism, that does not mean QAnon97, Golf, and FuckFaceJudy have a fucking clue. Neither QAnon97 nor Golf even read past the clickbait headlines of what they post (like QAnon97's post which quoted multiple purported scientists who countered the fucking headline of the article).

We have had multiple SARS events come out of China due to their 3rd World Health standards (given their fucked up wet markets, where they have fucking bats and shit) in just the last, what, 20 years? Hell, there were papers written contemporaneously that claimed to trace the spread of the 1918 "Spanish" Flu to Chinese cooks working the front lines in WWI. What are the odds that was actually a SARS event? So, it is not beyond the pale that the COVID came out of the Wuhan wet market, as many have surmised. I remain openminded, but I am not trusting some purported scientist on The Twitter who did not read the article he is citing as a "gamechanger" where the article basically refutes its own headline.

At least Alum provides, on most occasions, multiple citations to support what he is posting. But he is the idiot, while dipshit Golf links some shit about Russia "righteously" being miffed about the Nord Stream being closed down when the fucking thing was closed due to Soviets invading Ukraine in the first place, as if the US has manipulated all of this to get the Nord Stream closed and Russia isolated from the rest of the world (except the fucking Chinese Commies). That idiot Putin fell for Sleepy Slo Mo Joe's plan! Can you believe it?

Just because you think you have the information necessary to make an informed decision based on something you read on the Internet, just remember the dude posting it could be Golf or some dude sitting in some Moscow troll farm. Not much of a difference between them.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #4431 on: February 28, 2022, 12:22:41 PM »
Quote from: murphstahoe on February 28, 2022, 11:56:20 AM
Apparently the QAnon crew thinks Putin is doing god's work by invading Ukraine and destroying Biden's American COVID factories.

The only "American COVID factories" are the bodies of the unvaccinated.

Hey Murph, where you been?
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #4432 on: February 28, 2022, 12:23:25 PM »
Quote from: alum74 on February 28, 2022, 12:21:41 PM
== Now there seems to be ever increasing streams of damaging information coming about from a wide array of sources that the media is trying desperately to suppress. ==

== There were legitimate professionals questioning the narrative throughout and the fervor with which they were shouted down/cancelled/blackballed only served to create more questions and suspicion. ==

== And then Ukraine conveniently happens. ==

That’s some serious conspiracy theory nonsense.  The New Yorker, Vanity Fair, NYT, WSJ and several other publications wrote early on about the possibility that COVID-19 leaked from the Wuhan Institute of Virology.   Even Sleepy Joe ordered his intelligence agency to "redouble" efforts to investigate the origins of the virus, including the theory that it came from a laboratory.

I hate to break it to you, but scientists often disagree with each other - that is part of the scientific process.  Publishing evidence-based opinions in scientific journals is the platform for that evidence-based disagreement.  The problem is that the origins debate has spilled over to social media and political world where armchair virologists acquire most of their information to support their confirmation bias. 

So by all means MN and you should keep “asking questions.”   Just be aware that only scientific research will shed light on how the virus arrived in Wuhan.   

And that will require co-operation from the Chinese authorities.  They need to be far more forthcoming about what they know about the early epidemic in Wuhan at the tail end of 2019.

You are killing me by not posting any links!
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #4433 on: February 28, 2022, 02:42:39 PM »
Quote from: murphstahoe on February 28, 2022, 11:53:49 AM
You have no "natural immunity" inherently. You develop immunity, in one of two manners

1) getting infected
2) getting vaccinated

Those both trigger an immune system response. Either way, it's a natural process.

The first might also trigger illness and death, however.

well the mrna vaccines sure did a shit job of providing "immunity"
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #4434 on: February 28, 2022, 03:17:33 PM »
Quote from: ILLove1997 on February 28, 2022, 02:42:39 PM
well the mrna vaccines sure did a shit job of providing "immunity"

Doesn't the "natural immunity" for The COVID work for 90 days?
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #4435 on: February 28, 2022, 04:32:23 PM »
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« Reply #4436 on: February 28, 2022, 04:33:15 PM »
If the Chinese "did this" - the biggest thing they proved is that the US doesn't have the stuff to deal with a natural pandemic either
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« Reply #4437 on: February 28, 2022, 04:48:34 PM »
Quote from: murphstahoe on February 28, 2022, 04:32:23 PM
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« Reply #4438 on: February 28, 2022, 07:55:19 PM »
Quote from: alum74 on February 28, 2022, 12:21:41 PM
== Now there seems to be ever increasing streams of damaging information coming about from a wide array of sources that the media is trying desperately to suppress. ==

== There were legitimate professionals questioning the narrative throughout and the fervor with which they were shouted down/cancelled/blackballed only served to create more questions and suspicion. ==

== And then Ukraine conveniently happens. ==

That’s some serious conspiracy theory nonsense.  The New Yorker, Vanity Fair, NYT, WSJ and several other publications wrote early on about the possibility that COVID-19 leaked from the Wuhan Institute of Virology.   Even Sleepy Joe ordered his intelligence agency to "redouble" efforts to investigate the origins of the virus, including the theory that it came from a laboratory.

I hate to break it to you, but scientists often disagree with each other - that is part of the scientific process.  Publishing evidence-based opinions in scientific journals is the platform for that evidence-based disagreement.  The problem is that the origins debate has spilled over to social media and political world where armchair virologists acquire most of their information to support their confirmation bias. 

So by all means MN and you should keep “asking questions.”   Just be aware that only scientific research will shed light on how the virus arrived in Wuhan.   

And that will require co-operation from the Chinese authorities.  They need to be far more forthcoming about what they know about the early epidemic in Wuhan at the tail end of 2019.

I have a feeling that Peter Daszak being far more forthcoming would be a good start to answering some questions about the origin.
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« Reply #4439 on: February 28, 2022, 08:15:22 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on February 28, 2022, 12:21:54 PM

We have had multiple SARS events come out of China due to their 3rd World Health standards (given their fucked up wet markets, where they have fucking bats and shit) in just the last, what, 20 years?
How many people died in those 20 years ? Was it 4 digits ? 5 digits ?
We're closing in on 6 million now.

By the way, I was on Kauai.  8)
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