WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?

« Reply #75 on: April 30, 2020, 06:40:11 AM »

Quote from: ThePAMan on April 29, 2020, 02:11:24 PM

https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2020/04/16/tracking-covid-19-excess-deaths-across-countries

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A better way to measure the damage caused by such a medical crisis is to look at “excess mortality”: the gap between the total number of people who died from any cause, and the historical average for the same place and time of year. The charts below use data from EuroMOMO, a network of epidemiologists who collect weekly reports on deaths from all causes in 24 European countries, covering 350m people.

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Compared to the baseline average of deaths from 2009-19, the flu seasons of 2017, 2018 and 2019 were all unusually lethal. But the covid-19 pandemic, which arrived much later in the year, has already reached a higher peak—and would have been far more damaging without social-distancing measures. EuroMOMO’s figures suggest that there were about 70,000 excess deaths between March 16th and April 12th.

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Sweden’s approach to fighting the virus has received much attention, as it is one of the few Western countries that has not enforced a widespread lockdown. On April 27th its official covid-19 death toll was just 2,300, counting only people who had tested positive before passing away.

The Swedish national statistical bureau is publishing regular figures for deaths from all causes. Between March 25th (the week Sweden passed 50 official fatalities) and April 7th the country recorded 1,500 official covid-19 deaths. In the same period it registered 1,700 excess deaths. This suggests that the official numbers captured 90% of the estimated excess.

counting only people who had tested positive before passing away ........
A novel concept. How about if they count the people who look like they may have had Covid, like NYC ?

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?

« Reply #76 on: April 30, 2020, 06:54:16 AM »

Quote from: Mn on April 30, 2020, 06:40:11 AM

Quote from: ThePAMan on April 29, 2020, 02:11:24 PM
https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2020/04/16/tracking-covid-19-excess-deaths-across-countries

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A better way to measure the damage caused by such a medical crisis is to look at “excess mortality”: the gap between the total number of people who died from any cause, and the historical average for the same place and time of year. The charts below use data from EuroMOMO, a network of epidemiologists who collect weekly reports on deaths from all causes in 24 European countries, covering 350m people.

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Compared to the baseline average of deaths from 2009-19, the flu seasons of 2017, 2018 and 2019 were all unusually lethal. But the covid-19 pandemic, which arrived much later in the year, has already reached a higher peak—and would have been far more damaging without social-distancing measures. EuroMOMO’s figures suggest that there were about 70,000 excess deaths between March 16th and April 12th.

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Sweden’s approach to fighting the virus has received much attention, as it is one of the few Western countries that has not enforced a widespread lockdown. On April 27th its official covid-19 death toll was just 2,300, counting only people who had tested positive before passing away.

The Swedish national statistical bureau is publishing regular figures for deaths from all causes. Between March 25th (the week Sweden passed 50 official fatalities) and April 7th the country recorded 1,500 official covid-19 deaths. In the same period it registered 1,700 excess deaths. This suggests that the official numbers captured 90% of the estimated excess.
counting only people who had tested positive before passing away ........
A novel concept. How about if they count the people who look like they may have had Covid, like NYC ?

Read the article for the numbers in NY.

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?

« Reply #77 on: April 30, 2020, 07:00:56 AM »

Quote from: Mn on April 30, 2020, 06:40:11 AM

Quote from: ThePAMan on April 29, 2020, 02:11:24 PM
https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2020/04/16/tracking-covid-19-excess-deaths-across-countries

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A better way to measure the damage caused by such a medical crisis is to look at “excess mortality”: the gap between the total number of people who died from any cause, and the historical average for the same place and time of year. The charts below use data from EuroMOMO, a network of epidemiologists who collect weekly reports on deaths from all causes in 24 European countries, covering 350m people.

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Compared to the baseline average of deaths from 2009-19, the flu seasons of 2017, 2018 and 2019 were all unusually lethal. But the covid-19 pandemic, which arrived much later in the year, has already reached a higher peak—and would have been far more damaging without social-distancing measures. EuroMOMO’s figures suggest that there were about 70,000 excess deaths between March 16th and April 12th.

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Sweden’s approach to fighting the virus has received much attention, as it is one of the few Western countries that has not enforced a widespread lockdown. On April 27th its official covid-19 death toll was just 2,300, counting only people who had tested positive before passing away.

The Swedish national statistical bureau is publishing regular figures for deaths from all causes. Between March 25th (the week Sweden passed 50 official fatalities) and April 7th the country recorded 1,500 official covid-19 deaths. In the same period it registered 1,700 excess deaths. This suggests that the official numbers captured 90% of the estimated excess.
counting only people who had tested positive before passing away ........
A novel concept. How about if they count the people who look like they may have had Covid, like NYC ?

https://abcnews.go.com/Health/accurate-us-coronavirus-death-count-experts-off-tens/story?id=70385359

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Finally, as the cardiac arrest data suggested, scientists are contending with an ever-evolving understanding of how COVID-19 attacks the body. Initially, it was believed to primarily attack the lungs, but new research suggests it’s a danger to nearly every organ.

Experts say that many people like Dowd, who died of a non-respiratory COVID-19 complication early in the outbreak -- before the pandemic’s impact became apparent -- may never be accurately counted.

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?

« Reply #78 on: April 30, 2020, 07:05:18 AM »

Quote from: ThePAMan on April 30, 2020, 06:54:16 AM

Quote from: Mn on April 30, 2020, 06:40:11 AM
Quote from: ThePAMan on April 29, 2020, 02:11:24 PM
https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2020/04/16/tracking-covid-19-excess-deaths-across-countries

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A better way to measure the damage caused by such a medical crisis is to look at “excess mortality”: the gap between the total number of people who died from any cause, and the historical average for the same place and time of year. The charts below use data from EuroMOMO, a network of epidemiologists who collect weekly reports on deaths from all causes in 24 European countries, covering 350m people.

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Compared to the baseline average of deaths from 2009-19, the flu seasons of 2017, 2018 and 2019 were all unusually lethal. But the covid-19 pandemic, which arrived much later in the year, has already reached a higher peak—and would have been far more damaging without social-distancing measures. EuroMOMO’s figures suggest that there were about 70,000 excess deaths between March 16th and April 12th.

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Sweden’s approach to fighting the virus has received much attention, as it is one of the few Western countries that has not enforced a widespread lockdown. On April 27th its official covid-19 death toll was just 2,300, counting only people who had tested positive before passing away.

The Swedish national statistical bureau is publishing regular figures for deaths from all causes. Between March 25th (the week Sweden passed 50 official fatalities) and April 7th the country recorded 1,500 official covid-19 deaths. In the same period it registered 1,700 excess deaths. This suggests that the official numbers captured 90% of the estimated excess.
counting only people who had tested positive before passing away ........
A novel concept. How about if they count the people who look like they may have had Covid, like NYC ?

Read the article for the numbers in NY.

You mean the part about we'll just add in 5000, so covid deaths account for the excess ?
Austria also used positive covid before death.
Who knows how Jakarta counted.

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?

« Reply #79 on: April 30, 2020, 11:23:50 AM »

Quote from: Mn on April 30, 2020, 07:05:18 AM

Quote from: ThePAMan on April 30, 2020, 06:54:16 AM
Quote from: Mn on April 30, 2020, 06:40:11 AM
Quote from: ThePAMan on April 29, 2020, 02:11:24 PM
https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2020/04/16/tracking-covid-19-excess-deaths-across-countries

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A better way to measure the damage caused by such a medical crisis is to look at “excess mortality”: the gap between the total number of people who died from any cause, and the historical average for the same place and time of year. The charts below use data from EuroMOMO, a network of epidemiologists who collect weekly reports on deaths from all causes in 24 European countries, covering 350m people.

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Compared to the baseline average of deaths from 2009-19, the flu seasons of 2017, 2018 and 2019 were all unusually lethal. But the covid-19 pandemic, which arrived much later in the year, has already reached a higher peak—and would have been far more damaging without social-distancing measures. EuroMOMO’s figures suggest that there were about 70,000 excess deaths between March 16th and April 12th.

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Sweden’s approach to fighting the virus has received much attention, as it is one of the few Western countries that has not enforced a widespread lockdown. On April 27th its official covid-19 death toll was just 2,300, counting only people who had tested positive before passing away.

The Swedish national statistical bureau is publishing regular figures for deaths from all causes. Between March 25th (the week Sweden passed 50 official fatalities) and April 7th the country recorded 1,500 official covid-19 deaths. In the same period it registered 1,700 excess deaths. This suggests that the official numbers captured 90% of the estimated excess.
counting only people who had tested positive before passing away ........
A novel concept. How about if they count the people who look like they may have had Covid, like NYC ?

Read the article for the numbers in NY.
You mean the part about we'll just add in 5000, so covid deaths account for the excess ?
Austria also used positive covid before death.
Who knows how Jakarta counted.

Or the part where the number of deaths since this started far exceed the statistical norm and the other article where the research is showing it does not just attack the lungs.

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?

« Reply #80 on: May 02, 2020, 03:53:12 PM »

https://www.wsj.com/articles/coronavirus-kills-people-an-average-of-a-decade-before-their-time-11588424401

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?

« Reply #81 on: May 03, 2020, 03:40:05 PM »

A note about excess mortality rates: it's likely including both cases of covid-19 that may be outside the formal counting and non-covid-19 deaths that may not have happened otherwise because of disruptions in routine or the healthcare system altering personal mood or behavior (i.e., an unstable angina patient being fearful of going to the ER b/c of c-19 dying of a heart attack).

The latter should be included in covid-19-adjacent mortality data, but will not always be because there are vested interests in minimizing covid-19 deaths to being the strict cause-in-fact exclusive to other systemic causes.

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?

« Reply #82 on: May 03, 2020, 04:36:05 PM »

Quote from: ThePAMan on May 02, 2020, 03:53:12 PM

https://www.wsj.com/articles/coronavirus-kills-people-an-average-of-a-decade-before-their-time-11588424401

Am I supposed to read this, or just comment ? Hehe.
Must be good news for us Minnesotans then. Median U.S. life expectancy is 78. Median age of Minnesota Covid death cases is 83.
83 + 10 = 93.
93 - 78 = 15.
I think I'll have a beer.

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?

« Reply #83 on: May 03, 2020, 07:19:06 PM »

I haven't had alcohol since March.

It's not that we're out of stock. I'm using cetirizine every day and sleeping 12-15 hours.

I usually spend April in Ventura County, where the tree pollen isn't so brutal.

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?

« Reply #84 on: May 04, 2020, 05:19:34 PM »

https://apple.news/AAOxwBBfLSEWHHci6JuIK_g

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?

« Reply #85 on: May 04, 2020, 05:57:08 PM »

Quote from: fucking on May 03, 2020, 07:19:06 PM

I haven't had alcohol since March.

It's not that we're out of stock. I'm using cetirizine every day and sleeping 12-15 hours.

I usually spend April in Ventura County, where the tree pollen isn't so brutal.

I’d rather have COVID for a week and be done with it.

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?

« Reply #86 on: May 04, 2020, 09:45:47 PM »

I'd rather have pollen allergies and glorious sleep, but to each his own.

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?

« Reply #87 on: May 04, 2020, 10:31:35 PM »

Quote from: Custard on May 04, 2020, 05:19:34 PM

https://apple.news/AAOxwBBfLSEWHHci6JuIK_g

I guess that is good news as long as they did not pass it along to someone who had issues when contracting it.

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?

« Reply #88 on: May 04, 2020, 11:40:44 PM »

What an odd link. On the other hand, it's good evidence of idiocy. Clearly someone here is easily parted from his money.

As for the underlying news item, I'll wager that the test is proved faulty.

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?

« Reply #89 on: May 05, 2020, 07:29:32 AM »

1 + 0 = 4. Good to know they won't be counting someone who tests positive multiple times on the same day. No word yet on whether or not an individual can die multiple times.

https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/coronavirus/virginia-begin-double-counting-positive-coronavirus-cases
At a press conference on Friday, State Health Commissioner Norman Oliver gave an example of a single patient being tested four times for COVID-19. "What we’re doing now is, we’re counting all four tests," Oliver said. "That’s the difference."

What was unclear from the new policy is whether or not each positive test result would be counted as a new case of coronavirus altogether rather than merely a new test. The Virginia Department of Health's COVID-19 dashboard displays the total number of cases in the state, the total number of tests performed, and the total number of "unique people tested" by state officials.

Reached via email on Monday morning, Joe Macenka, a spokesman for Virginia's COVID-19 Joint Information Command, confirmed that each positive case of the disease would be counted as a new case altogether. "If a person is tested on different days, those tests are counted as separate," he said.

Pressed to clarify the policy, Macenka said that repeat positive cases "are counted as separate cases only if the tests occur on different days. If [a Virginia resident] tested Monday and Tuesday and both are positive, that's two positives."

After being ranked near the bottom of the list of states in the U.S. for their testing capacity, Virginia revealed a new metric on Friday for which they will be measuring testing.

The reason for the large spike in testing reported Friday (14,805) compared to previous days is that the methodology in which testing is reported has changed, officials say.

Before the change, though a COVID-19 patient may get tested multiple times over the course of treatment, the Virginia Health Department was only reporting the sum of the patient’s tests as one single test.

https://www.wavy.com/news/health/coronavirus/virginia-covid-19-may-3-update-nearly-900-confirmed-cases-with-44-deaths/

They will now report one patient being tested multiple times as multiple tests.

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