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WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5505 on: July 21, 2023, 03:49:29 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on July 21, 2023, 03:28:00 PM
I’m curious - if you believe it’s a natural occurrence as the current evidence indicates, why do you spend this entire thread pushing back on me, and not the person you purport to disagree with and the politicians he’s parroting?

I can’t think of a single issue I’d spend time arguing with the people who agree with me but not the people who don’t and you seem to do it almost every day.

Mn does cite to original source materials, at least.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5506 on: July 21, 2023, 03:54:16 PM »
Part of the issue, Spark, is that you think you are right and that there is no chance that the opposite can be true. Well, maybe a little more than 0% but not close to 1%.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5507 on: July 21, 2023, 03:54:25 PM »
But the entirety of the investigation is pushing the narrative specifically that they were bribed to lie.  They called it a cover up before the hearings began.  That's what the hearings were about.  It's not about the origin of COVID, which the evidence indicates is naturally occurring.  It's about the scientists being bribed and lying to cover up that it was man made in a lab in China, which the evidence does not at all indicate.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5508 on: July 21, 2023, 03:55:23 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on July 21, 2023, 03:54:16 PM
Part of the issue, Spark, is that you think you are right and that there is no chance that the opposite can be true. Well, maybe a little more than 0% but not close to 1%.

As long as you ignore the multiple times that I said, "is it possible it was a lab leak? yes, but the current evidence doesn't indicate that", sure.

Sounds like someone who thinks there is no chance that he's not right.

What's actually at issue here is your stance that, since it's POSSIBLE they were bribed, since there is evidence that other scientists have been bribed in the past, it's rational to entertain the notion that these scientists were bribed despite there being zero evidence of that at all.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5509 on: July 21, 2023, 03:55:40 PM »
For the most part I'm with Spark. 

The problem with Mn is that he jumps from one rabbit hole to another, taking things out of context, cherry-picking data and spreading misinformation.

It's get tedious and I understand the frustration that others have trying to follow his posts, which at times are just plain incoherent and nonsensical.

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5510 on: July 21, 2023, 04:07:29 PM »
I turned on Fox because the tall liberal liberal lady was on the 5. They were discussing the house censorship hearings with a focus on RFK Jr.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5511 on: July 21, 2023, 04:08:58 PM »
Quote from: alum74 on July 21, 2023, 03:55:40 PM
For the most part I'm with Spark. 

The problem with Mn is that he jumps from one rabbit hole to another, taking things out of context, cherry-picking data and spreading misinformation.

It's get tedious and I understand the frustration that others have trying to follow his posts, which at times are just plain incoherent and nonsensical.

I don't know much about Mn at all other than he says 'fishwrap' a lot and often parrots whatever the most bad faith members of Congress are saying.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5512 on: July 21, 2023, 04:16:22 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on July 21, 2023, 03:54:25 PM
But the entirety of the investigation is pushing the narrative specifically that they were bribed to lie.  They called it a cover up before the hearings began.  That's what the hearings were about.  It's not about the origin of COVID, which the evidence indicates is naturally occurring.  It's about the scientists being bribed and lying to cover up that it was man made in a lab in China, which the evidence does not at all indicate.

I am interested in the origins of the virus so we can try and prevent it from happening again. I do not think anyone has been "bribed" to lie or whatever X politician is claiming.

 
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5513 on: July 21, 2023, 04:18:28 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on July 21, 2023, 03:55:23 PM
As long as you ignore the multiple times that I said, "is it possible it was a lab leak? yes, but the current evidence doesn't indicate that", sure.

Sounds like someone who thinks there is no chance that he's not right.

What's actually at issue here is your stance that, since it's POSSIBLE they were bribed, since there is evidence that other scientists have been bribed in the past, it's rational to entertain the notion that these scientists were bribed despite there being zero evidence of that at all.

I never once said anyone was bribed. I did say that there are a few reasons why people may say what they say.

But, you are right that you have said it is possible there was a lab leak, but no evidence to support it.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5514 on: July 21, 2023, 04:20:05 PM »
Quote from: alum74 on July 21, 2023, 03:55:40 PM
For the most part I'm with Spark. 

The problem with Mn is that he jumps from one rabbit hole to another, taking things out of context, cherry-picking data and spreading misinformation.

It's get tedious and I understand the frustration that others have trying to follow his posts, which at times are just plain incoherent and nonsensical.

The US doctor having non-COVID symptoms was a good one.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5515 on: July 21, 2023, 04:22:23 PM »
Quote from: alum74 on July 21, 2023, 03:55:40 PM
For the most part I'm with Spark. 

The problem with Mn is that he jumps from one rabbit hole to another, taking things out of context, cherry-picking data and spreading misinformation.

It's get tedious and I understand the frustration that others have trying to follow his posts, which at times are just plain incoherent and nonsensical.

I guess I understand "Mn-ese" better than others here.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5516 on: July 21, 2023, 04:23:01 PM »
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5517 on: July 21, 2023, 04:25:11 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on July 21, 2023, 04:16:22 PM
I am interested in the origins of the virus so we can try and prevent it from happening again. I do not think anyone has been "bribed" to lie or whatever X politician is claiming.

 

Then why are you so supportive of this committee hearing/investigation which is focused on the narrative that they were bribed to cover it up, and not at all on the origins of the virus?

It's not like they hid it or pretended they were interested in the origins of COVID.

"“We’re examining whether government officials, regardless of who they are, unfairly, perhaps biasedly, tipped the scales toward a preferred origin theory,” said subcommittee chair Representative Brad Wenstrup (R–OH) at the start of the hearing."

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"“What a lot of people think is going on here is that Dr. Anthony Fauci and Francis Collins realized that they had been implicated in the creation of this virus, and they were doing everything they could, including getting both of you to come on board as tools or vehicles, to undermine that theory,” said Representative Ronny Jackson (R–TX)."

https://www.science.org/content/article/politicians-scientists-spar-over-alleged-nih-cover-up-using-covid-19-origin-paper

The committee literally called their paper "The Proximal Origin of a Cover Up".  The cover up conspiracy was the whole point.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5518 on: July 21, 2023, 04:33:27 PM »
Quote from: alum74 on July 21, 2023, 04:23:01 PM
Why Do So Many Americans Distrust Science?

https://www.aamc.org/news/why-do-so-many-americans-distrust-science

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Trust in institutions is eroding. All government and private institutions that develop health policies suffer harm from news reports about research scandals (such as fraud), conflicting findings among scientific studies, and dismissive pronouncements that everyone should “just trust the science.” As Jonathan Haidt, PhD, a social psychologist at the New York University Stern School of Business, wrote recently, “When people lose trust in institutions, they lose trust in the stories told by those institutions.”

fraud - The Stanford President still has a job teaching...

"Conflicting findings among scientific studies" = results oriented findings based on who paid the scientist for the study

"dismissive pronouncements" = Dan Bernsteins of the media world telling everyone to wear a gaitor despite the fact the scientist in charge knew they were not effective...

And they wonder why there is an issue?
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5519 on: July 21, 2023, 04:36:39 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on July 21, 2023, 04:33:27 PM
fraud - The Stanford President still has a job teaching...

"Conflicting findings among scientific studies" = results oriented findings based on who paid the scientist for the study

"dismissive pronouncements" = Dan Bernsteins of the media world telling everyone to wear a gaitor despite the fact the scientist in charge knew they were not effective...

And they wonder why there is an issue?

Can you show your work on the neck gaiter thing?  I remember when that study came out, and then I remember the authors of it coming out and telling people they were misinterpreting the results.
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