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WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #4410 on: February 26, 2022, 11:27:22 PM »
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #4411 on: February 26, 2022, 11:44:40 PM »
Quote from: Custard on February 26, 2022, 11:27:22 PM
For MN:

https://theintercept.com/2022/02/20/nih-coronavirus-research-wuhan-redacted/
🤣🤣 TY, I saw that the other day.
They're trying to protect the identity of the pangolin, in case someone finds it.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #4412 on: February 27, 2022, 07:24:47 AM »
Quote from: Mn on February 26, 2022, 11:44:40 PM
🤣🤣 TY, I saw that the other day.
They're trying to protect the identity of the pangolin, in case someone finds it.

I always love headlines like this:

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The NIH continues to withhold critical documents that could shed light on the origin of the coronavirus pandemic.

"Could" is such a great word in headlines. Why not also include "or could not" as well?

That being said, I heard on the NewsRadio yesterday that there apparently are 2 yet unpublished studies out there pointing to the Wuhan market as the origin. Could be convincing...or not.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #4413 on: February 27, 2022, 08:34:53 AM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on February 27, 2022, 07:24:47 AM
I always love headlines like this:

"Could" is such a great word in headlines. Why not also include "or could not" as well?

That being said, I heard on the NewsRadio yesterday that there apparently are 2 yet unpublished studies out there pointing to the Wuhan market as the origin. Could be convincing...or not.
The authors include ........
Marion P. G. Koopmans; Marc A. Suchard; Joel O. Wertheim; Philippe Lemey; David L. Robertson; Robert F. Garry; Edward C. Holmes; Andrew Rambaut; Kristian G. Andersen.

The proximal origin authors include .......
The proximal origin of SARS-CoV-2
Kristian G. Andersen, Andrew Rambaut, W. Ian Lipkin, Edward C. Holmes & Robert F. Garry
Nature Medicine volume 26, pages450–452 (2020)
 gt!!

They just reversed the order that the names are listed, and tossed in a couple of extras, to throw people off. 😁
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #4414 on: February 27, 2022, 01:24:05 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on February 27, 2022, 07:24:47 AM
I always love headlines like this:

"Could" is such a great word in headlines. Why not also include "or could not" as well?

That being said, I heard on the NewsRadio yesterday that there apparently are 2 yet unpublished studies out there pointing to the Wuhan market as the origin. Could be convincing...or not.

Looks like these two "new" papers are partly just a restatement of what Worobey and Rasmussen wrote several months ago, but this time, split into two papers

I don’t think the papers provide clear evidence.  Proving that a busy locale near the virology place is where the virus first *spread* isn’t really news.  I think we want evidence of how it got there in the first place.

Unfortunately, a lot of people are arguing one side and they're ignoring the fact that the scientific evidence doesn't prove either theory.  Regardless of which theory, both require the identification of the host species.  Maybe more evidence will come in.  Maybe not.   

Meanwhile, our two armchair virologists, MN and Custard, will continue to dance the two-step down the motivated-reasoning pathway.   
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #4415 on: February 27, 2022, 10:12:27 PM »
We are fortunate to live in a time where we aren’t completely subject to only receiving news and information from a handful of carefully curated sources that are bought and paid for by big money/government interests.

I believe MN and Alum are roughly the same generation, but obviously have completely different perspectives.

Alum seems to be totally content with the media he trusted during his formative years. The refusal to question anything about anything and then backing it up with multiple links from those outlets kind of supports that. I’m just surprised there’s nothing about this that hasn’t triggered any of Alum’s spidey senses, whatsoever.

But I think for most people it’s easier to just fervently latch onto something because it feels good and it prevents the anxiety of having to consider the alternatives at any great length. I believe Sartre may have had some decent insight on this line of thinking.

MN did what he was told but also isn’t afraid to ask some questions or do a little digging. I did what I was told and a lot of things didn’t add up for me, either. So I started questioning the narrative. I understand I have different viewpoint than some others here because I’m not really an at-risk person, nor are my children. And I’ve always been an advocate of those who are at risk and those who are close to them doing everything they can to exercise caution. Seems reasonable to me given the science and data we’ve been shown, but that isn’t what others deem reasonable. That’s okay.

But this argument of “oh you’re an epidemiologist now?” Or “armchair virologist” stuff is just deflection. We have enormous information from all kinds of legitimate resources at our fingertips these days.

The micro aspect of virology and epidemiology are pretty intense. But it doesn’t take a PhD to grasp the basic concepts. Pandemics are nothing new and a novel coronavirus doesn’t just rewrite the collective pandemic rulebook. Oftentimes the basic concepts seemed at odds with the practices being preached.

There were legitimate professionals questioning the narrative throughout and the fervor with which they were shouted down/cancelled/blackballed only served to create more questions and suspicion. While legitimate people were calling things into question and being shouted down, we had government leaders and influencers (also not virologists or epidemiologists) openly flaunting their own mandates.

Now there seems to be ever increasing streams of damaging information coming about from a wide array of sources that the media is trying desperately to suppress. And Pfizer still owns the prestige of garnering the largest criminal fine ever levied. But we should trust them, they just want us to be healthy.

And then Ukraine conveniently happens.

Nothing to see here.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #4416 on: February 27, 2022, 10:54:45 PM »
Quote from: Custard on February 27, 2022, 10:12:27 PM
We are fortunate to live in a time where we aren’t completely subject to only receiving news and information from a handful of carefully curated sources that are bought and paid for by big money/government interests.

I believe MN and Alum are roughly the same generation, but obviously have completely different perspectives.

Alum seems to be totally content with the media he trusted during his formative years. The refusal to question anything about anything and then backing it up with multiple links from those outlets kind of supports that. I’m just surprised there’s nothing about this that hasn’t triggered any of Alum’s spidey senses, whatsoever.

But I think for most people it’s easier to just fervently latch onto something because it feels good and it prevents the anxiety of having to consider the alternatives at any great length. I believe Sartre may have had some decent insight on this line of thinking.

MN did what he was told but also isn’t afraid to ask some questions or do a little digging. I did what I was told and a lot of things didn’t add up for me, either. So I started questioning the narrative. I understand I have different viewpoint than some others here because I’m not really an at-risk person, nor are my children. And I’ve always been an advocate of those who are at risk and those who are close to them doing everything they can to exercise caution. Seems reasonable to me given the science and data we’ve been shown, but that isn’t what others deem reasonable. That’s okay.

But this argument of “oh you’re an epidemiologist now?” Or “armchair virologist” stuff is just deflection. We have enormous information from all kinds of legitimate resources at our fingertips these days.

The micro aspect of virology and epidemiology are pretty intense. But it doesn’t take a PhD to grasp the basic concepts. Pandemics are nothing new and a novel coronavirus doesn’t just rewrite the collective pandemic rulebook. Oftentimes the basic concepts seemed at odds with the practices being preached.

There were legitimate professionals questioning the narrative throughout and the fervor with which they were shouted down/cancelled/blackballed only served to create more questions and suspicion. While legitimate people were calling things into question and being shouted down, we had government leaders and influencers (also not virologists or epidemiologists) openly flaunting their own mandates.

Now there seems to be ever increasing streams of damaging information coming about from a wide array of sources that the media is trying desperately to suppress. And Pfizer still owns the prestige of garnering the largest criminal fine ever levied. But we should trust them, they just want us to be healthy.

And then Ukraine conveniently happens.

Nothing to see here.
TY.
And I am old enough to remember when the concept of 'natural immunity' was scoffed at.
I think that was before the 2022 elections became a consideration.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #4417 on: February 27, 2022, 11:24:28 PM »
The only problem with natural immunity is how it's acquired.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #4418 on: February 27, 2022, 11:28:35 PM »
It's not shocking that covid first started spreading in or around Wuhan. The lab is located there because that's where the bats are.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #4419 on: February 27, 2022, 11:35:51 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on February 27, 2022, 07:24:47 AM
That being said, I heard on the NewsRadio yesterday that there apparently are 2 yet unpublished studies out there pointing to the Wuhan market as the origin. Could be convincing...or not.
Call the scientific misconduct police ....

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #4420 on: February 28, 2022, 12:31:37 AM »
Quote from: illiniray on February 27, 2022, 11:28:35 PM
It's not shocking that covid first started spreading in or around Wuhan. The lab is located there because that's where the bats are.

Actually the bats live about a thousand miles away from Wuhan
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #4421 on: February 28, 2022, 07:04:12 AM »
Wait, Ukraine is tied to the Omicron variant slowing down (for lack of a phrase)?
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #4422 on: February 28, 2022, 10:24:50 AM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on February 28, 2022, 07:04:12 AM
Wait, Ukraine is tied to the Omicron variant slowing down (for lack of a phrase)?

Yeah they needed the case numbers to drop so they could more safely go to war.

How you gonna get troops to willingly sit in tanks and armored troop carriers for days on end with Omicron being so prevalent?
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #4423 on: February 28, 2022, 10:41:42 AM »
Quote from: Custard on February 28, 2022, 10:24:50 AM
Yeah they needed the case numbers to drop so they could more safely go to war.

How you gonna get troops to willingly sit in tanks and armored troop carriers for days on end with Omicron being so prevalent?

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #4424 on: February 28, 2022, 11:04:25 AM »
Quote from: Mn on February 27, 2022, 10:54:45 PM
TY.
And I am old enough to remember when the concept of 'natural immunity' was scoffed at.
I think that was before the 2022 elections became a consideration.

Such a dumb conspiracy theory.

Natural immunity was never 'scoffed at', that's made up - the problem with people advocating for natural immunity in lieu of the vaccine is that you have to get sick to get it.  It's not complicated or hard to understand in the least bit.
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