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WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #420 on: July 10, 2020, 09:19:10 PM »
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #421 on: July 10, 2020, 10:11:47 PM »
I mean as long as we can keep medical facilities from becoming overrun let ‘er rip.

Do you have any news sources other than, say, Facebook and small town conversation?

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #422 on: July 10, 2020, 11:20:49 PM »
Your attempt to stereotype me noted, I actually despise Facebook and other similar forms of data mining social media.

As far as news goes, I posted a chart just prior to your post showing the US dramatically increasing testing and doing so at a higher rate than any other nation on the planet. My statistics regarding death rate of those infected came directly from the CDC website.

Sure, you’re in a position to remain holed up indefinitely, but most aren’t. For the tens of millions of people the fear of being evicted/foreclosed upon and seeing their children go hungry far outweighs their fear of a virus that poses statistically little threat to their physical well-being.

I can’t help but notice those who are the most vocal virtue signalers regarding the COVID danger tend to be the ones who are financially insulated from it.

I mean sure you’ve got the people who lost a parent or loved one like the lady in Arizona who is publicly blaming the governor because her dad made the decision as a grown ass man to go out in public once the stay at home order was lifted and subsequently died from the pathogen. Kinda like spark blaming Trump because his aunt died from COVID.

People have been hammered for months with information regarding at-risk categories and at this point everyone should be aware of the stakes. A governor or the government can’t be expected to babysit adults—it’s ultimately up to them on an individual basis.

Especially when services are available to bring all essential items to people who want to stay at home to protect themselves and others.

There are plenty of voices shouting about the danger of the virus and how to handle it, and I think it’s okay to have conversations about the collateral damage of lockdowns and the crippling of the economy. We have to strike a balance that seeks to protect those most at risk, but without fucking over everyone else in the process.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #424 on: July 11, 2020, 01:05:40 AM »
I think it’s great news on several fronts. As more testing’s been done we now realize how widespread it is and how much less lethal (statistically) it is than we thought it was a few months ago. Think the death rate is down to roughly .35% now and dropping like a rock?  This is all good news.

I bet front-line health care workers at hospitals in places like Houston, Hillsborough County (FL), Maricopa County (AZ) and Imperial County (CA) will be thrilled to learn the “death rate….is dropping like a rock.”   

‘We’re surging again.’ Doctors, nurses angry as coronavirus strains California hospitals
https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-06-30/california-returns-to-closures-as-coronavirus-hospitalizations-surge

'All the hospitals are full': In Houston, overwhelmed ICUs leave COVID-19 patients waiting in ER
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/all-hospitals-are-full-houston-overwhelmed-icus-leave-covid-19-n1233430

Florida coronavirus: 52 hospitals max out ICU capacity as cases increase
https://www.wfla.com/8-on-your-side/investigations/florida-coronavirus-52-hospitals-max-out-icu-capacity-as-cases-increase/

Arizona hospitals overwhelmed as coronavirus cases rise
https://www.cbsnews.com/video/arizona-hospitals-overwhelmed-as-coronavirus-cases-rise/

COVID-19 patients in Tucson being transferred to Phoenix, out of state
https://tucson.com/news/local/covid-19-patients-in-tucson-being-transferred-to-phoenix-out-of-state/article_9eb4cfb1-a1cb-5466-82b3-e23829be35ff.html

And you better let TX Gov. Abbott know.  He’s threatening to impose a statewide “lockdown” if the spread of the virus is not slowed down in his state.   Bars have been required to close doors, once again, and restaurant capacity limits have been tightened.  And AZ Gov. Ducey just recently ordered bars, gyms, indoor movie theaters and water parks to close for 30 days.  He also announced a delayed school opening date for in-person learning.

Gov. Greg Abbott warns if spread of COVID-19 doesn’t slow, “the next step would have to be a lockdown”
https://www.texastribune.org/2020/07/10/greg-abbott-shutdown-texas-mask-order/

Gov. Ducey orders 30-day closure of some businesses, school opening delayed
https://www.kgun9.com/news/coronavirus/gov-ducey-to-give-update-on-covid-19-in-arizona-at-2-p-m

"This is all good news." 



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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #425 on: July 11, 2020, 09:49:56 AM »
The death rate per infection has been dropping like a rock. Thats a fact. And it is good news.

Earlier I said as long as we don’t overwhelm the health care system with it, I think we should go on we close to normal as possible with increased precautions for at risk people.

And don’t try and make me feel bad for health care workers who are literally doing the job they chose to do and are being compensated quite well for it.

When you become a doctor or a nurse there’s an implied understanding that you’re going to be in contact with contagious and potentially deadly pathogens. It’s implied and is built into the compensation rate for the job.

So long as health care facilities aren’t overwhelmed I’d just as soon let it run it’s course as much as possible this summer than drag it out as a slow burn for 2 years. It’s just not going to work.

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #426 on: July 11, 2020, 12:05:14 PM »
The death rate per infection has been dropping like a rock. Thats a fact. And it is good news.

Earlier I said as long as we don’t overwhelm the health care system with it, I think we should go on we close to normal as possible with increased precautions for at risk people.

And don’t try and make me feel bad for health care workers who are literally doing the job they chose to do and are being compensated quite well for it.

When you become a doctor or a nurse there’s an implied understanding that you’re going to be in contact with contagious and potentially deadly pathogens. It’s implied and is built into the compensation rate for the job.

So long as health care facilities aren’t overwhelmed I’d just as soon let it run it’s course as much as possible this summer than drag it out as a slow burn for 2 years. It’s just not going to work.

Goes nicely with the BBC story you posted.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #427 on: July 11, 2020, 01:44:21 PM »
We're losing the war on the coronavirus
https://www.axios.com/coronavirus-losing-war-b36632fb-33b0-4cb0-84b2-14000841d89c.html

“It’s true — and it’s good — that the percentage of all coronavirus patients who die seems to be falling. And experts hope that will hold, as the pool of infected people is skewing younger.”

“'But ‘I don't know that I take much comfort in this, knowing that thousands of people are going to die in the coming days and weeks and it was all preventable,’ said Ashish Jha, the director of the Global Health Institute at Harvard.”

"The virus has already killed over 130,000 people in the U.S. — roughly the population of Charleston, S.C. And deaths are now beginning to rise in the places experiencing big outbreaks."

"Patients who don’t die can still experience lasting, painful symptoms, including damage to the lungs, heart, immune system and even the brain, after they leave the hospital."

“Some people in their 20s and 30s face serious health complications from COVID-19, and a surge in cases among young people gives the virus a bigger foothold, increasing the risk of infection for more vulnerable people.”


Coronavirus deaths take a long-expected turn for the worse
https://apnews.com/b5dc967808fb7964b531afa59b5a6f82

“A long-expected upturn in U.S. coronavirus deaths has begun, driven by fatalities in states in the South and West, according to data on the pandemic.”

“The number of deaths per day from the virus had been falling for months, and even remained down as states like Florida and Texas saw explosions in cases and hospitalizations — and reported daily U.S. infections broke records several times in recent days.”

“Scientists warned it wouldn’t last. A coronavirus death, when it occurs, typically comes several weeks after a person is first infected. And experts predicted states that saw increases in cases and hospitalizations would, at some point, see deaths rise too. Now that’s happening.”

“Researchers now expect deaths to rise for at least some weeks, but some think the count probably will not go up as dramatically as it did in the spring — for several reasons.”

“First, testing was extremely limited early in the pandemic, and it’s become clear that unrecognized infections were spreading on subways, in nursing homes and in other public places before anyone knew exactly what was going on. Now testing is more widespread, and the magnitude of outbreaks is becoming better understood.”

“Second, many people’s health behaviors have changed, with mask-wearing becoming more common in some places. Although there is no vaccine yet, hospitals are also getting better at treating patients.”

“Another factor, tragically, is that deadly new viruses often tear through vulnerable populations first, such as the elderly and people already weakened by other health conditions. That means that, in the Northeast at least, ‘many of the vulnerable people have already died,’ said Perry Halkitis, the dean of the Rutgers University School of Public Health in New Jersey.”

“Now, the U.S. is likely in for 'a much longer, slower burn,’ William Hanage, the Harvard infectious disease researcher, said. ‘We’re not going to see as many deaths (as in the spring). But we’re going to see a total number of deaths, which is going to be large.’”

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #428 on: July 11, 2020, 02:36:56 PM »
The death rate is fake. Hospitals are faking death certificates to get an extra $39,000 from Medicare. I read that on facebook.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #429 on: July 11, 2020, 03:38:27 PM »
The death rate per infection has been dropping like a rock.

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So long as health care facilities aren’t overwhelmed

I don't think you're an idiot, so I'm just going to assume you're being intellectually dishonest.

And yes, the BBC is a legitimate source.

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #430 on: July 12, 2020, 12:33:52 PM »
I’ve always been a proponent of flattening the curve and keeping medical facilities from being overwhelmed. I think it was reckless what some of the states did and now they’re paying the price, as expected.

But for many of the reasons Alum listed, I’m inclined to believe that we have enough data from states that didn’t act recklessly to help us understand what we cannot do in certain areas (high population) without overburdening the system.

Doctors can treat it better, healthy young people aren’t having much trouble with it, availability of ventilators is high, we already know that we can mobilize emergency treatment facilities to help out in hard hit areas...

Medical workers were getting laid off here not long ago because the lockdown emptied the hospitals as they prepared for the waves of COVID patients that never came. I’m sure some of them would be willing to go help out in areas where they’re needed. 🤷🏻‍♂️
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #431 on: July 12, 2020, 02:08:50 PM »
healthy young people aren’t having much trouble with it
I mean, what's the big deal with a double lung transplant? You get NEW LUNGS!

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #432 on: July 12, 2020, 02:35:54 PM »
Ah yes the exception that proves the rule. Millions of confirmed cases and exactly one otherwise healthy young person has had a double lung transplant.

Meanwhile, excess suicides, food shortages (especially in impoverished areas) and horrifying jumps in domestic violence/child abuse are occurring as a direct by-product of the shutdown.

Who is being intellectually dishonest?
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #433 on: July 12, 2020, 02:58:02 PM »
Last week a friend reminded me of something his father used to tell us when we were younger, “The longer we half-ass this [a specific task], the harder it’s going to be.”  We’re still “half-assing” the containment of the corornavirus in the U.S., and the damage is only going to be worse and take longer to recover from. 

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #434 on: July 12, 2020, 03:08:00 PM »
Who is being intellectually dishonest?

Yeah, you're right.

So, here's the deal. You get to keep your lungs, but you have to give up jogging. And hiking. And bike riding. And softball.

Okay?

The intellectually dishonest aspect of your argument is that you propose these non-existent trade-offs.

Unless you're willing to accept/promote mandatory public masking, enforced by armed police and soldiers and universal temperature checkpoints at all places of public accommodation; you're not going to get a significant percentage of the population to play ball.
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