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WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #3390 on: November 18, 2021, 10:51:25 AM »
Quote from: ILLove1997 on November 18, 2021, 10:35:23 AM
incorrect, where you do come up with this shit

It’s the chlorine and glue.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #3391 on: November 18, 2021, 11:04:18 AM »
Quote from: ILLove1997 on November 18, 2021, 10:29:34 AM
says who, pfizer?
Close. Lol.
I think they're saying that if you catch the Wuhan and end up a poor outcome statistic, the vaccine is much safer and more effective. If you catch the Wuhan and have no real issues, then maybe not so much so.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #3392 on: November 18, 2021, 11:24:33 AM »
Quote from: Chickengeorge on November 18, 2021, 09:57:40 AM
For those that have been infected?  I thought the data said otherwise.

FWIW, pretty good article on the issue.  And not behind the paywall.

CDC finds immunity from vaccines is more consistent than from infection, but both last at least six months
https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/11/01/what-works-better-vaccines-or-natural-immunity/
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #3393 on: November 18, 2021, 11:35:21 AM »
Quote from: alum74 on November 18, 2021, 11:24:33 AM
FWIW, pretty good article on the issue.  And not behind the paywall.

CDC finds immunity from vaccines is more consistent than from infection, but both last at least six months
https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/11/01/what-works-better-vaccines-or-natural-immunity/

you need all your boosters to get the same amount of immunity as having a mild case of covid

the original 2 shots only protect against the alpha variant, the booster is for delta and they reduce in efficacy after 6 months... it is very likely that your natural immunity lasts a lot longer and also protects you from variants.  This whole clown world narrative being driven that vax or nothing is insanely dangerous and harmful.  I mean the CDC came out the other day and said even if we vaxxed everyone on the planet at the same exact time the virus would still be around... lol
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #3394 on: November 18, 2021, 11:39:07 AM »
And the hosiptals in MN would still be full?
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #3395 on: November 18, 2021, 11:49:23 AM »
Quote from: Chickengeorge on November 18, 2021, 09:57:40 AM
For those that have been infected?  I thought the data said otherwise.

You should probably think less.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #3396 on: November 18, 2021, 11:57:47 AM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on November 18, 2021, 11:39:07 AM
And the hosiptals in MN would still be full?
From what I've read, per cent of hospital beds is a function of staffing. A hospital that was fully staffed may have had 500 beds, but with reduced staffing they may be down 50 beds or more ?
So a 95% figure is based on 450 beds rather than 500.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #3397 on: November 18, 2021, 12:06:06 PM »
Quote from: Mn on November 18, 2021, 11:04:18 AM
Close. Lol.
I think they're saying that if you catch the Wuhan and end up a poor outcome statistic, the vaccine is much safer and more effective. If you catch the Wuhan and have no real issues, then maybe not so much so.

I think it’s fine for the government vaccine mandate to include a path for permitting natural immunity in lieu of vaccination.   But the business community will want clear federal or state guidelines for confirming proof of natural immunity. 

A Michigan-based health care provider recently became one of the first major employers in the country to offer its workers proof of natural immunity as a temporary alternative to vaccination.  The health system will accept a positive antibody test within the past three months coupled with either a positive PCR test or antigen test for COVID-19 as proof of immunity.
https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/michigan/2021/09/09/spectrum-health-workers-can-use-natural-immunity-vaccine-mandate-exemption/8262491002/
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #3398 on: November 18, 2021, 12:06:52 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on November 18, 2021, 11:49:23 AM
You should probably think less.

Don't be an asshole. 
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #3399 on: November 18, 2021, 12:10:05 PM »
Quote from: alum74 on November 18, 2021, 12:06:06 PM
I think it’s fine for the government vaccine mandate to include a path for permitting natural immunity in lieu of vaccination.   But the business community will want clear federal or state guidelines for confirming proof of natural immunity. 



Small businesses want to make money and run their businesses, they don't want more bureaucratic bullshit to deal with than they already have

you clowns are so out of touch it makes me laugh
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #3400 on: November 18, 2021, 12:22:49 PM »
Quote from: alum74 on November 18, 2021, 12:06:06 PM
I think it’s fine for the government vaccine mandate to include a path for permitting natural immunity in lieu of vaccination.   But the business community will want clear federal or state guidelines for confirming proof of natural immunity. 

A Michigan-based health care provider recently became one of the first major employers in the country to offer its workers proof of natural immunity as a temporary alternative to vaccination.  The health system will accept a positive antibody test within the past three months coupled with either a positive PCR test or antigen test for COVID-19 as proof of immunity.
https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/michigan/2021/09/09/spectrum-health-workers-can-use-natural-immunity-vaccine-mandate-exemption/8262491002/

An educated approach from Spectrum in Sept. The article mentions merging with Beaumont Health. The linked Beaumont article from Oct does not mention antibody testing per se.
Was the Spectrum Health decision before the threat of losing federal funding depending on vaccination/testing programs ?
https://www.freep.com/story/news/health/2021/10/21/covid-19-vaccines-beaumont-suspends-370-workers/6125286001/
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #3401 on: November 18, 2021, 12:23:39 PM »
Quote from: ILLove1997 on November 18, 2021, 11:35:21 AM
you need all your boosters to get the same amount of immunity as having a mild case of covid

the original 2 shots only protect against the alpha variant, the booster is for delta and they reduce in efficacy after 6 months... it is very likely that your natural immunity lasts a lot longer and also protects you from variants.  This whole clown world narrative being driven that vax or nothing is insanely dangerous and harmful.  I mean the CDC came out the other day and said even if we vaxxed everyone on the planet at the same exact time the virus would still be around... lol

Thankfully you do not sit on any of the health advisory committees for the CDC and HHS. 
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #3402 on: November 18, 2021, 12:25:35 PM »
Quote from: ILLove1997 on November 18, 2021, 12:10:05 PM
Small businesses want to make money and run their businesses, they don't want more bureaucratic bullshit to deal with than they already have

you clowns are so out of touch it makes me laugh
You should sit on an advisory committee for CDC/HHS.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #3403 on: November 18, 2021, 12:26:57 PM »
Quote from: ILLove1997 on November 18, 2021, 12:10:05 PM
Small businesses want to make money and run their businesses, they don't want more bureaucratic bullshit to deal with than they already have

you clowns are so out of touch it makes me laugh

Yet, history establishes the reasons for the existence of OSHA and other regulatory agencies....
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #3404 on: November 18, 2021, 12:31:26 PM »
Quote from: Mn on November 18, 2021, 12:22:49 PM
An educated approach from Spectrum in Sept. The article mentions merging with Beaumont Health. The linked Beaumont article from Oct does not mention antibody testing per se.
Was the Spectrum Health decision before the threat of losing federal funding depending on vaccination/testing programs ?
https://www.freep.com/story/news/health/2021/10/21/covid-19-vaccines-beaumont-suspends-370-workers/6125286001/

I forgot to add this note: 

For more information on the immunization policy and merger, please contact the community relations department at Spectrum Health, toll free at 866-989-7999.
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