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WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #3212 on: October 29, 2021, 06:34:35 AM »
Coronaviruses have been been mutating since before humans even existed. Yet none of the variants—ever—have proven to be particularly harmful to remotely healthy children. Why would we expect this one to evolve in that direction?

There’s a reason we never went into full scale vaccinations for coronaviruses prior to this. It mutates too fast. And it generally isn’t that dangerous. Sure, this one is dangerous to a very small percentage of the population (NOT children) but I’m not convinced that after thousands upon thousands of years of living with mutating coronaviruses unvaccinated children will all of a sudden become ground zero for some doomsday coronavirus variant.
The FDA  advisory panel was probably given the opportunity to discuss this in great detail. Lol.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #3213 on: October 29, 2021, 07:34:51 AM »
The FDA  advisory panel was probably given the opportunity to discuss this in great detail. Lol.
Shut up and dribble.

For Custard, shouldn't it be "Shut up and grill"?
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #3214 on: October 29, 2021, 07:43:29 AM »
For Custard, shouldn't it be "Shut up and grill"?
He is a busy man. Work, dribbling, grilling and banging hot chicks. He seems to do well in the work, grilling and banging categories. He probably played point guard as a youngster.

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #3215 on: October 29, 2021, 09:00:21 AM »
I don't see a possible future variant that may or may not occur listed in the EUA authorization determinants.
 

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #3216 on: October 29, 2021, 10:18:51 AM »
Coronaviruses have been been mutating since before humans even existed. Yet none of the variants—ever—have proven to be particularly harmful to remotely healthy children. Why would we expect this one to evolve in that direction?

There’s a reason we never went into full scale vaccinations for coronaviruses prior to this. It mutates too fast. And it generally isn’t that dangerous. Sure, this one is dangerous to a very small percentage of the population (NOT children) but I’m not convinced that after thousands upon thousands of years of living with mutating coronaviruses unvaccinated children will all of a sudden become ground zero for some doomsday coronavirus variant.

stop using common sense and apply much more estrogen fueled emotions to your coronavirus related posts to get those applauds!
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #3217 on: October 29, 2021, 11:36:01 AM »
You think it’s weird to question giving a new vaccine with very little testing on young children to young children who are at extremely low risk? That doesn’t seem like “following the science” to me.

I don’t care if people want to vaccinate their young children, but shit is going to hit the fucking fan when they inevitably start mandating it in schools.
it's weird to question it if you are a garbage man or work at McDonalds. What exactly are you questioning? It feels like "vaccine, molecular biology, must be very very complicated, it must take a long time to develop!"

The MRNA vaccine is substantially less complicated than an iPhone, which was developed from conception to product in under 3 years.

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #3218 on: October 29, 2021, 11:49:57 AM »
Republican logic:

If you are vaccinated; you are protected. Why would you care is someone else chooses not to be vaccinated? It has to be a  control issue.

They literally only care about themselves.
The framing around coronavirus has been a complete failure. Everything has focused on individual deaths due to COVID, "Do you want to die!", well the probability is low, "Do you want to kill Grandma!", and so on and so on.

Fatalities are real and they are important. I don't have the numbers but we've probably lost more children to COVID this year than to plane crashes, yet we buckle our seat belts on planes and watch water flotation videos for flights that don't cross any body of water.

I don't know if this framing would work - but there's an argument that could be made which is much more clear. 700k have died, hospitalizations are at least 3x that, let's say with an average stay of a week. Let's say 2 million hospitalizations, that's 80 million work hours lost. Say we cut it in half for older retired people, still 40 million. Even at 10 bucks and hour that's 400 million lost in wages, or employers/SSI covering it.

Then add in productivity losses stemming from delays in health care because hospitals are putting resources into COVID.

Then, even if you don't care about COVID, or worry about getting sick, there are people who do. And those people might remove themselves from the workforce, offices may close and be less productive. We discuss supply chain issues, let's say that a good chunk of those hospitalized persons are truck drivers or port workers, their lost productivity trickles up to companies down the line. Some people will eschew eating out and impact small businesses. etc...

No matter how you slice it, it's a massive economic issue to have a pandemic that keeps going, and going, and going.

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #3219 on: October 29, 2021, 11:55:11 AM »
It’s totally true.

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #3220 on: October 29, 2021, 11:56:31 AM »
And as far as giving kids shots.  If I had a kid that was 6, and not averse to vaccines, I would absolutely have him get the vaccine.  No question about it.
My son was vaccinated on day 1.

There's a reasonable chance he's never been in a six foot radius of an infected person. We've been in one of the lowest transmission areas in the country, we have kept pretty close to the vest. He's been in school this year but the entire student body, faculty, and families of students/faculty are tested 2x/week, we have had no positives. The most likely scenario would be a waiter at the couple dozen times we actually at a restaurant's outdoor seating, or one round trip plane flight, but even then it's probably rare. And even if he was, he hasn't been infected.

But that's anecdotal. Multiply that by millions, and there will be infections, and more than a handful school outbreaks. Each school outbreak has a non-trivial butterfly effect downstream, even if it's not a hospitalization or fatality, even in the reddest part of DeSantisville, schools will shut down for major outbreaks.

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #3221 on: October 29, 2021, 12:08:11 PM »
And now for another perspective on vaccines for young children:

FDA Advisors Endorse COVID-19 Vaccine for Ages 5 to 11: What Parents Need To Know
https://www.yalemedicine.org/news/covid-vaccine-for-ages-5-to-11

Children, COVID-19, and the vaccines
https://www.aamc.org/news-insights/children-covid-19-and-vaccines

Here’s a good overview of why young immune systems are still on top for COVID-19: 
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02423-8

I believe parents that have young kids or other family members with special health care needs will be happy with the emergency use authorization of a children’s vaccine.  I also expect many parents to seek advice from their family doctors and pediatricians before taking action.  Others will take a “wait and see” approach.  That's understandable. 

Scientists are still on the watch for coronavirus mutations.  So far, the mutations are worrying, but not terrifying:
“…the sheer number of COVID cases worldwide is allowing the virus numerous opportunities to change a little bit. Each infected person is, essentially, a chance for SARS-CoV-2 to reinvent itself. ‘Some of it is evolution, but a lot of it is epidemiology,’ [Adam] Lauring, [a virologist at the University of Michigan] says.  Overall, ‘the virus is getting better at being a virus.’”
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-most-worrying-mutations-in-five-emerging-coronavirus-variants/

And yes, the virus will be here forever, but we can minimize its impact:
https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2021/08/how-we-live-coronavirus-forever/619783/

Anecdotal information alert:  I just got the Moderna booster to re-up my immunity and help minimize the potential for serious illness down the road.  Felt like crap last night: headache, chills and super sore arm.  Couldn’t sleep much.  Feel much better today.   
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #3222 on: October 29, 2021, 12:44:47 PM »
Glad you are feeling better Alum.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #3223 on: October 29, 2021, 03:19:32 PM »
The vaccine is safe, for god's sake.  They wouldn't release anything for consumption to humans without verifying that.

This has to be satire. Has to be.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #3224 on: October 29, 2021, 04:43:13 PM »
This has to be satire. Has to be.

It’s certainly delivered as such.
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