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Re: Adam Miller
« Reply #30 on: December 25, 2020, 12:07:05 AM »
It would be hard to avoid an uptick in physical fitness while working daily with a strength & conditioning coach.

But the push out your stomach and frown/ flex & growl routine is not persuasive.



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Re: Adam Miller
« Reply #31 on: December 25, 2020, 12:25:33 AM »
Tripe.

I had to check to make sure JeffFrank had not signed up here.
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Re: Adam Miller
« Reply #32 on: December 25, 2020, 12:27:54 AM »
I too take subtle bemusement from his culinary endeavors.

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Re: Adam Miller
« Reply #33 on: December 25, 2020, 12:32:04 AM »
Jeff is just mailing it in these days, of course. I think he peaked with the Thermos of Urine.

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Re: Adam Miller
« Reply #34 on: December 25, 2020, 01:06:00 AM »
After being exposed at this level, Underwood scrapped his base defensive and offensive schemes and has been experimenting with ways to improve ever since. I suspect he’ll continue to do so. Up until last season it was a revolving door of new bodies coming in and the staff trying to find a way to mold them into some form of competitive team.

In three seasons we went from complete dog shit to a whisker from a B1G title. The biggest part of that was bringing in better talent. I think players are improving.

Frazier is a more complete player, just isn’t taking volume shots like he used to. And we don’t want or need him to. He’s limited by his size in all aspects of the game.

DMW is vastly improved.

Ayo has improved year over year by leaps and bounds.

They brought Kofi in who was overweight and not even a primary option on his high school team and turned him into a chiseled specimen that was the B1G freshman of the year.

Alan Griffin was lost as an Easter egg most of his freshman year and evolved into a key cog in year 2.

Kipper was Kipper. One night he’d look like Jimmy Butler Lite then spend 4 or 5 games in la la land.

I’m not at practice so I can’t say how much is the staff and how much is natural year over year development of the players as they mature. But to say there isn’t improvement seems odd because it’s easily proven with statistics.

I don’t understand how we can give credit to the staff for how much DMW improved his shot but then ask why they aren’t doing the same for Ayo. Even if we assume they only coached DMW and not Ayo to shoot better, you could make the argument that DMW had nowhere to go but up while they didn’t want to break Ayo down and try to rebuild his entire form because frankly he is pretty damned effective as-is. Not every guy is going to figure out how to shoot 40% from three.

I just hope the team keeps improving and Miller figures it out and Underwood keeps adjusting.

We both agree that we want the team to improve and for Underwood to try to keep adjusting and hopefully figuring out what will work.
I will give credit that he did a decent job in second half last year in managing personnel after we were reeling after the MSU beat down.

You have more faith in the idea that he has clear roadmap and working a plan this year. I don't see such a good one this year so far and he arguably has more talent. We certainly have not overachieved or outperformed expectations.
I would hope to think that there is normal development from playing and training 12 months a year in a P5 program for most guys from year to year.
I guess we will just disagree about the level of staff ability to really teach and develop players beyond an average staff.
Sure they have an impact, I just think it is not a strength of his program.
I also think his in game coaching is pretty average.
UW is an average coach. Not terrible, not great.

I am just not a big fan, but want the team to do well and would love for them to get to S16. We should be a 2/3/4/ seed.
Anything short of a S16 will feel like underachieving. After that you need some luck and breaks.


We have a relatively favorable stretch coming up in next 7 games. We should be favored in all of them. We could be 13-3 and ranked probably in Top 10 heading into a gauntlet of tough games.

We should go 6-1 or 7-0 if we are really making progress and they are figuring out how to put these pieces together.




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Re: Adam Miller
« Reply #35 on: January 03, 2021, 04:41:41 PM »
Nice to see Adam rack up something besides bad fouls last night. Did not shoot well (2/6) but got to the line and the two FGs he made were big threes. Seemed to play pretty smart and solid defense. Something to build from I’d suppose.

It sounds weird, but he just had a different look on his face this last game. Once we started playing decent teams he had a deer in the headlights look. Last night I saw him try on some Trent Frazier and Ayo Dosunmo Determined Face
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Re: Adam Miller
« Reply #36 on: January 05, 2021, 11:01:56 AM »
If we are blaming the staff for Miller being disappointing do we credit them for Curbelo being better than expected? I always have a hard time figuring out when it’s the staff’s fault a player isn’t playing to our expectations. Particularly freshmen.
I think the staff deserves credit for both. For Curbelo, they deserve credit for finding a guy who is much better than his ranking to come a long way from home to play for their team. For Miller, they deserve credit for getting a highly ranked and clearly talented local kid to pick their team.

FWIW, Miller isn’t really disappointing to me, but I always temper my expectations for freshmen, so maybe that’s why. He is a good player who needs the game to slow down for him a little. Most freshmen go through this. He will be fine.

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Re: Adam Miller
« Reply #37 on: January 08, 2021, 10:57:35 PM »
Glad to see him knock down some daggers last night. I loved the play where he cut baseline and finished strong at the rim. Hopefully, that gets him going the rest of the year.
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Re: Adam Miller
« Reply #38 on: January 11, 2021, 12:41:56 PM »
I’ve missed a ton of Illinois games but I have to say that Adam Miller has been....not so good in my viewings

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Re: Adam Miller
« Reply #39 on: January 11, 2021, 02:41:38 PM »
I’ve missed a ton of Illinois games but I have to say that Adam Miller has been....not so good in my viewings

He really needs to improve his ball handling if he’s gonna improve from just a spot-up shooter. It’s extremely weak and he’s not gonna beat many (if any) people off the dribble. He has a really slow first step it appears as well. I thought he was gonna be a much faster player, much like Ayo. I think a lot of those things will come with time and confidence. Once the game slows down for him a little bit, he should be alright.

Everybody on the team should be dribbling a tennis ball like Curbelo does while balancing one foot on a balancing mat. Great drill to improve your handles. A lot of our players are weak in that area.
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Re: Adam Miller
« Reply #40 on: January 11, 2021, 06:36:31 PM »
Agree.  As great as Ayo is at getting to the rack with right hand,  he has limited left and weak handles and poor passer overall.

Miller shooting a little better and got on the floor for a ball last night,  but was a non factor otherwise.

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Re: Adam Miller
« Reply #41 on: January 11, 2021, 08:41:54 PM »
I’ll say again that players with his ranking typically perform similarly to what we’ve seen from Miller. As we should have expected, he appears to be a high quality multi year foundational piece but not a big minutes guy on what we’d hoped was a top 5-10 level team.

Problem is we don’t have Griffin and Feliz to allow Adam time him grow into his role and obviously aren’t getting enough from Grandison and Hutcherson either. If the overall personnel and development were where we hoped it would be, Miller would probably be getting 8-10 mpg.

Gotta hope the light bulb really comes on for he and Curbelo if we are going to make any kind of run.
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Re: Adam Miller
« Reply #42 on: January 11, 2021, 11:06:51 PM »
I’ll say again that players with his ranking typically perform similarly to what we’ve seen from Miller. As we should have expected, he appears to be a high quality multi year foundational piece but not a big minutes guy on what we’d hoped was a top 5-10 level team.

Problem is we don’t have Griffin and Feliz to allow Adam time him grow into his role and obviously aren’t getting enough from Grandison and Hutcherson either. If the overall personnel and development were where we hoped it would be, Miller would probably be getting 8-10 mpg.

Gotta hope the light bulb really comes on for he and Curbelo if we are going to make any kind of run.

The 9 ppg is not bad overall. But he doesn't contribute much else at all. 

We are much better with Curbelo on the floor. The light has been on for Curbelo. Averaging over 6 APG and TOs are down to 2 a game in BIG play. He just needs to shoot a little better. At 48% overall it isn't bad.

Agree, that cuttign Miller's minutes may be a key to us getting better as a team. One of Grandison or Hawkins does need to step up for a lot of reasons. We are too small.


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Re: Adam Miller
« Reply #43 on: January 11, 2021, 11:33:31 PM »
Seems like Hawkins is ready to be that guy but he’s very clearly in the doghouse right now. Hopefully this gets cleared up soon and he sees more minutes. Grandison just isn’t athletic or quick enough to be the guy we need.
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Re: Adam Miller
« Reply #44 on: January 11, 2021, 11:39:37 PM »
Why do you think he's in the doghouse?