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Re: Adam Miller
« Reply #15 on: December 24, 2020, 01:55:06 PM »
He had a couple hilarious mistakes on the P&R last night where he was just running around covering no one while his man was getting to the rim uncontested.

Speaking of P&R not sure why Underpants doesn't go zone sometimes. Easily the worst thing about this team so far although they did a little better for the most part last night.

Underpants went zone against Rutgers with mixed results. My guess is he actually wants the young guys to learn to defend the pick and roll.
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Re: Adam Miller
« Reply #16 on: December 24, 2020, 02:00:37 PM »
If we are blaming the staff for Miller being disappointing do we credit them for Curbelo being better than expected? I always have a hard time figuring out when it’s the staff’s fault a player isn’t playing to our expectations. Particularly freshmen.
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Re: Adam Miller
« Reply #17 on: December 24, 2020, 02:32:30 PM »
If we are blaming the staff for Miller being disappointing do we credit them for Curbelo being better than expected? I always have a hard time figuring out when it’s the staff’s fault a player isn’t playing to our expectations. Particularly freshmen.

Curbelo is simply a better basketball player than Miller. Understands the game way better, faster with the ball, good handle, OK shooter and finisher already, and the best passer we have had here in my memory.
Yes, gets out over his skis, but he is a baller.

I don't think this staff develops anybody at any level skill wise that much really.
They push a work ethic, but as far as teaching, after four years it is pretty obvious that is not Underdog's forte.


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Re: Adam Miller
« Reply #18 on: December 24, 2020, 02:45:28 PM »
Curbelo is simply a better basketball player than Miller. Understands the game way better, faster with the ball, good handle, OK shooter and finisher already, and the best passer we have had here in my memory.
Yes, gets out over his skis, but he is a baller.

I don't think this staff develops anybody at any level skill wise that much really.
They push a work ethic, but as far as teaching, after four years it is pretty obvious that is not Underdog's forte.

I think Antigua has done a fabulous job with Kofi. Damonte has progressed nicely and improved. Ayo has improved. Trent and Gorgi have been asked to take lesser roles it appears. I wouldn’t say this staff hasn’t developed players. I mean if you’re gonna knock the staff for some, shouldn’t they get credit for others. As Custard said, how can you determine that exactly. I mean does the staff get credit when Curbelo or Miller figure it all out? Or any coach for that matter.
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Re: Adam Miller
« Reply #19 on: December 24, 2020, 03:07:04 PM »
Curbelo is simply a better basketball player than Miller. Understands the game way better, faster with the ball, good handle, OK shooter and finisher already, and the best passer we have had here in my memory.
Yes, gets out over his skis, but he is a baller.

I don't think this staff develops anybody at any level skill wise that much really.
They push a work ethic, but as far as teaching, after four years it is pretty obvious that is not Underdog's forte.

this staff is miles ahead of prior staffs where players just wouldn't get better every year... I have seen TONS of improvement from literally everyone
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Re: Adam Miller
« Reply #20 on: December 24, 2020, 03:10:30 PM »
this staff is miles ahead of prior staffs where players just wouldn't get better every year... I have seen TONS of improvement from literally everyone

Yeah that’s what I tried to reiterate in my post as well. Idk what he’s watching, but I’ve seen it as well.
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Re: Adam Miller
« Reply #21 on: December 24, 2020, 03:45:26 PM »
I think Antigua has done a fabulous job with Kofi. Damonte has progressed nicely and improved. Ayo has improved. Trent and Gorgi have been asked to take lesser roles it appears. I wouldn’t say this staff hasn’t developed players. I mean if you’re gonna knock the staff for some, shouldn’t they get credit for others. As Custard said, how can you determine that exactly. I mean does the staff get credit when Curbelo or Miller figure it all out? Or any coach for that matter.

Antigua has gotten players here. He and the assistant's recruiting are the biggest reason we are in Top 20.
Big men are the place where one often sees the most improvement in college. People here were pretty much unanimously thinking Kofi had been struggling or regressed until the last couple games. His D footwork on ball screens and in space is terrible.
He improved his post offense last year over time for sure, but he is still pretty limited to 3-4 feet. Guy gets stuffed a lot for being the strongest guy on the floor. I like him, he works hard, but he is kind of mostly what he was last year at best.
Georgi is not better. Period. He has to develop some range.

Ayo is just a hard worker. He is an everyday guy more than talented IMO.
Ayo has improved his midrange and the kid no doubt works very hard. Staff have given him the ball and total freedom. I think that is what they contributed. Is very very good college player.
They, nor he, have fixed his threeball, however. (7-23 since the scrimmage vs NC School for the Blind where we played horse).
Whoever worked with Damonte to fix his shot (great form now) needs to work with Ayo on his threeball. It is simply not good form from ground up. People worried about it coming out of HS.  Has what looks like almost a two hand release, and his body angle and feet are inconsistently at the needed positions. Does better with time.
His jumper inside the line is much better and improved.
His drives in open court have always been electric. Mostly right hand still.
Not a half court break down guy or distributor. TO's are high rate.  18 in last 4 games. Trying to do too much (he wants to lead I give him credit for that) but he just does not have the handle to carry the load so much.
Staff getting him off the ball last year helped him takeoff as a wing and the team was better without him handling it so much. Feliz was a baller. 


DaMonte obviously worked his ass off. Pretty rare to see a kid change and improve his stroke midway through junior year like that.
Ayo almost has two different forms - one inside 17 feet and one on the three line.

Trent is not really better. Period. Kid is an Illini through and through, decent player, but still can't finish and his D is over rated.
Needs 15 shots a game which will never happen again here.

Its no secret I think this staff is not the greatest in terms of game prep, in game adjustments, and teaching a working system overall.
We do not have an identity right now. We developed one in second half last year and I think were poised to surprise people.
I think we have the talent to make an impact in BIG and a run. It's a work in progress but I do not see consistent improvement and we are nearing halfway mark.
The defense is really struggling and it is basic stuff.

I hope it starts to come together.


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Re: Adam Miller
« Reply #22 on: December 24, 2020, 03:49:27 PM »
Underpants went zone against Rutgers with mixed results. My guess is he actually wants the young guys to learn to defend the pick and roll.

Yeah I missed the Rutgers game. I just mean a few possessions when the opponent starts getting into the groove on P&R. Last night they starting hedging from the weak wing, which seemed to throw the PSU guards off a little.

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Re: Adam Miller
« Reply #23 on: December 24, 2020, 03:52:03 PM »
this staff is miles ahead of prior staffs where players just wouldn't get better every year... I have seen TONS of improvement from literally everyone

Name who has improved a TON. Seriously.
I am certainly open to other views.
We are deeper and have more talent now, but were better team at end of last year IMO.

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Re: Adam Miller
« Reply #24 on: December 24, 2020, 03:54:12 PM »
Curbelo was just a better player than Miller last year and he still is. Not much mystery about it imo, and probably nothing to do with the staff. Miller isn't used to the close outs, he looks like a freshman on defense and probably relied on superior athleticism in the past. He will adjust.

Curbelo is just different. He's already adjusted really well. He is also already solid at scrambling defense and he gets the defensive rotations, he's just not strong and so he gets too handsy.

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Re: Adam Miller
« Reply #25 on: December 24, 2020, 11:01:57 PM »
After being exposed at this level, Underwood scrapped his base defensive and offensive schemes and has been experimenting with ways to improve ever since. I suspect he’ll continue to do so. Up until last season it was a revolving door of new bodies coming in and the staff trying to find a way to mold them into some form of competitive team.

In three seasons we went from complete dog shit to a whisker from a B1G title. The biggest part of that was bringing in better talent. I think players are improving.

Frazier is a more complete player, just isn’t taking volume shots like he used to. And we don’t want or need him to. He’s limited by his size in all aspects of the game.

DMW is vastly improved.

Ayo has improved year over year by leaps and bounds.

They brought Kofi in who was overweight and not even a primary option on his high school team and turned him into a chiseled specimen that was the B1G freshman of the year.

Alan Griffin was lost as an Easter egg most of his freshman year and evolved into a key cog in year 2.

Kipper was Kipper. One night he’d look like Jimmy Butler Lite then spend 4 or 5 games in la la land.

I’m not at practice so I can’t say how much is the staff and how much is natural year over year development of the players as they mature. But to say there isn’t improvement seems odd because it’s easily proven with statistics.

I don’t understand how we can give credit to the staff for how much DMW improved his shot but then ask why they aren’t doing the same for Ayo. Even if we assume they only coached DMW and not Ayo to shoot better, you could make the argument that DMW had nowhere to go but up while they didn’t want to break Ayo down and try to rebuild his entire form because frankly he is pretty damned effective as-is. Not every guy is going to figure out how to shoot 40% from three.

I just hope the team keeps improving and Miller figures it out and Underwood keeps adjusting.
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Re: Adam Miller
« Reply #26 on: December 24, 2020, 11:10:26 PM »

They brought Kofi in who was overweight and not even a primary option on his high school team and turned him into a chiseled specimen that was the B1G freshman of the year.

Tripe.

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Re: Adam Miller
« Reply #27 on: December 24, 2020, 11:28:02 PM »
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Re: Adam Miller
« Reply #28 on: December 24, 2020, 11:34:14 PM »
How many high schools have 35 current or recent NBA players?

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« Reply #29 on: December 24, 2020, 11:40:37 PM »
I should have said he wasn’t in near the shape he is now and that he wasn’t one of the primary options on his high school team (which was loaded)

He mostly scored on put backs by being bigger than everyone else and wasn’t usually targeted within the offense.
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