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No New Wars! Well, maybe some new wars. OK, we LOVE war!

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Re: No New Wars! Well, maybe some new wars. OK, we LOVE war!
« Reply #1305 on: July 01, 2026, 05:42:40 AM »
Quote from: Reacher on July 01, 2026, 01:17:50 AM
1. Infrastructure and Supply Chain GrantsThe federal government frequently absorbs the core capital expenditures of private contractors by directly funding their factories, shipyards, and technical training facilities.Industrial Base Funding: Sweeping pieces of legislation regularly funnel billions into privately operated defense infrastructure. For example, recent federal actions injected over $5 billion directly into subsidizing commercial shipbuilding infrastructure and advanced manufacturing training programs rather than purchasing actual ships.Workforce Development: The military heavily subsidizes private labor forces by providing multi-million dollar grants to regional entities to fund free tuition and housing for trainees, directly expanding the corporate labor pool at public expense.2. State and Local Corporate Welfare

Not socialism.
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Re: No New Wars! Well, maybe some new wars. OK, we LOVE war!
« Reply #1306 on: July 01, 2026, 05:43:22 AM »
Quote from: Reacher on July 01, 2026, 01:19:51 AM
Military-industrial complex subsidies primarily manifest as massive federal outlays for defense contracting, research and development (R&D), and infrastructure. With the total U.S. military budget surpassing $1 trillion, approximately half of this goes directly to private defense corporations like Lockheed Martin, RTX (Raytheon), Northrop Grumman, Boeing, and General Dynamics.1. Direct Federal Contracts and R&D SubsidiesThe largest financial backing takes the form of direct procurement and Research, Development, Test, and Evaluation (RDT&E) contracts.Procurement: Hundreds of billions are spent annually to purchase equipment ranging from aviation systems to massive maritime systems.RDT&E: The Pentagon heavily subsidizes the private development of emerging technologies before they become finalized military products.2. Infrastructure and Supply Chain SubsidiesBeyond buying finished goods, the federal government directly funds the physical infrastructure and workforce training needed by defense corporations

Not socialism.
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Re: No New Wars! Well, maybe some new wars. OK, we LOVE war!
« Reply #1307 on: July 01, 2026, 05:43:52 AM »
Quote from: Reacher on July 01, 2026, 01:28:36 AM
The federal highway system was a huge gift to industry. Denying the role government has made in building corporate America is just completely uneducated.

Not socialism.
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« Reply #1308 on: July 01, 2026, 05:47:38 AM »
Quote from: Reacher on July 01, 2026, 01:22:29 AM
It’s pretty cute that Custard thinks “Capitalism works just fine, all on its own.”

I never said that.

Regardless, government guardrails, investments and intervention don’t constitute socialism.
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Re: No New Wars! Well, maybe some new wars. OK, we LOVE war!
« Reply #1309 on: July 01, 2026, 06:32:14 AM »
Quote from: Custard on July 01, 2026, 05:43:52 AM
Not socialism.

Progressive central planning?
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Re: No New Wars! Well, maybe some new wars. OK, we LOVE war!
« Reply #1310 on: July 01, 2026, 06:32:59 AM »
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Re: No New Wars! Well, maybe some new wars. OK, we LOVE war!
« Reply #1311 on: July 01, 2026, 07:54:48 AM »
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Progressive central planning?
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Re: No New Wars! Well, maybe some new wars. OK, we LOVE war!
« Reply #1312 on: July 01, 2026, 07:58:02 AM »
Fucking hilarious.

Also: Not Capitalism.
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« Reply #1313 on: July 01, 2026, 08:14:16 AM »
Surprised Nichi has not brought up that we do not have pure capitalism in the US.....
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Re: No New Wars! Well, maybe some new wars. OK, we LOVE war!
« Reply #1314 on: July 01, 2026, 09:59:10 AM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on July 01, 2026, 08:14:16 AM
Surprised Nichi has not brought up that we do not have pure capitalism in the US.....

But Custard has brought up that only “pure” socialism qualifies as “socialism.” Nichi mentioned progressive central planning, which is close enough. Unless we’re going by Custard’s 7th grade social studies book.
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Re: No New Wars! Well, maybe some new wars. OK, we LOVE war!
« Reply #1315 on: July 01, 2026, 10:33:57 AM »
Quote from: Custard on July 01, 2026, 05:41:59 AM
Not socialism.

Call it what you want. Summary - people pay taxes, and some of that money doesn't go back to the people who paid them.
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Re: No New Wars! Well, maybe some new wars. OK, we LOVE war!
« Reply #1316 on: July 01, 2026, 10:36:17 AM »
Amusing part of this "socialism" debate. Custard says "yeah man, not socialism"

Last night Mike Johnson gets on stage and whines that there is a cottage industry of people coming to the US to have babies so they will be citizens and rely on the welfare state.

Why the fuck would they come here, a place with "not socialism" instead of going to these socialist utopias? If we aren't socialist, then he's pointing at a non problem
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« Reply #1317 on: July 01, 2026, 10:57:55 AM »
It doesn’t conform to his 7th grade social studies book.
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Re: No New Wars! Well, maybe some new wars. OK, we LOVE war!
« Reply #1318 on: July 01, 2026, 11:11:41 AM »
Quote from: murphstahoe on July 01, 2026, 10:36:17 AM
Amusing part of this "socialism" debate. Custard says "yeah man, not socialism"

Last night Mike Johnson gets on stage and whines that there is a cottage industry of people coming to the US to have babies so they will be citizens and rely on the welfare state.

Why the fuck would they come here, a place with "not socialism" instead of going to these socialist utopias? If we aren't socialist, then he's pointing at a non problem

They won't let them in over there? Our programs are better than theirs? Ask the Cubans who are here and who hate socialism?
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Re: No New Wars! Well, maybe some new wars. OK, we LOVE war!
« Reply #1319 on: July 01, 2026, 11:28:05 AM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on July 01, 2026, 11:11:41 AM
They won't let them in over there? Our programs are better than theirs? Ask the Cubans who are here and who hate socialism?

Cuba - not socialist
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