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WTF is wrong with Minnesota?

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Re: WTF is wrong with Minnesota?
« Reply #1230 on: January 29, 2026, 09:42:31 PM »
Come on man, I know you’re not ignorant. This isn’t hard to figure out. Who the fuck goes out trying to fuck with law enforcement and provoke them. You can protest, but don’t go being violent while carrying a weapon and interfering with their operations. This isn’t hard to understand. You go looking for trouble, you’re gonna find it. AND he did unfortunately…

There is no evidence he was violent the day he was shot. Do you mean the earlier incident? Calling that violent is a stretch, but are saying the shooting was premeditated revenge? That's murder.

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Re: WTF is wrong with Minnesota?
« Reply #1231 on: January 29, 2026, 09:44:31 PM »
Where was Pretti “violent?” Point out the specific point in the video of his murder. Please, and thank you.

He must mean the earliest incident, when he was borderline violent? So was it a premeditated murder?
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Re: WTF is wrong with Minnesota?
« Reply #1232 on: January 30, 2026, 06:48:50 AM »
He must mean the earliest incident, when he was borderline violent? So was it a premeditated murder?
You're pushing the left's making shit up narrative

The 1st incident was with Border Patrol. The 2nd incident was 11 days later and with ICE.
Pretti, carrying a loaded weapon, ended up being shot because he didn't surrender.

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Re: WTF is wrong with Minnesota?
« Reply #1233 on: January 30, 2026, 10:37:02 AM »
You're pushing the left's making shit up narrative

The 1st incident was with Border Patrol. The 2nd incident was 11 days later and with ICE.
Pretti, carrying a loaded weapon, ended up being shot because he didn't surrender.

You're not following the previous conversation..JJ appeared to be saying he was shot because he was violent and cited the previous encounter.

You are telling me he was shot because he failed to surrender?!
« Last Edit: January 30, 2026, 12:40:46 PM by illiniray »
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Re: WTF is wrong with Minnesota?
« Reply #1234 on: January 30, 2026, 11:20:26 AM »
You're not following the preview conversation..JJ appeared to be saying he was shot because he was violent and cited the previous encounter.

You are telling me he was shot because he failed to surrender?!
Nope. He made another wrong decision and failed to surrender. Everything went downhill after that.
He was non-cooperative and had done everything wrong to that point. Tho the Lt Gov may disagree because he did what she had suggested that people do. He put his body on the line.

Stop trying to portray this as 'he was shot because he had a gun' or he was shot because he failed to surrender' or 'he was shot because of retribution.'

He should have listened to his parents and law enforcement rather than the Gov, the Lt Gov and the Mayor.
« Last Edit: January 30, 2026, 11:24:10 AM by Somewhere in Mn »

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Re: WTF is wrong with Minnesota?
« Reply #1235 on: January 31, 2026, 02:20:21 PM »
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Re: WTF is wrong with Minnesota?
« Reply #1236 on: January 31, 2026, 07:39:09 PM »
Nope. He made another wrong decision and failed to surrender.

What's wrong with Minnesota?

Mn is alive and Prince is dead.

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Re: WTF is wrong with Minnesota?
« Reply #1237 on: February 01, 2026, 07:26:20 AM »
Mn AG Ellison's efforts to end ICE operations in Minnesota were denied by a Biden appointed judge.

"Defendants have introduced evidence that the operation was also launched to increase arrests of noncitizens with criminal convictions in Minnesota and the Twin Cities, an effort they claim has been hindered by Plaintiffs’ refusal to assist with federal immigration enforcement efforts. (See Olson Decl. ¶¶ 14–18; Harvick Decl. ¶ 7; cf. Dkt. 1 ¶ 113.
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Based on the record before the Court, a factfinder could reasonably credit that Plaintiffs’
sanctuary policies require a greater presence of federal agents to achieve the federal
government’s immigration enforcement objectives than in a jurisdiction that actively
assists ICE."


Fyi, the judge did not highlight what has been known for quite a while.

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Re: WTF is wrong with Minnesota?
« Reply #1238 on: February 01, 2026, 12:54:47 PM »
AI perspectives
In her Saturday ruling, U.S. District Judge Alexandra Menendez noted evidence that ICE and CBP agents have engaged in "racial profiling, excessive use of force, and other harmful actions" during a heightened immigration enforcement surge in Minnesota. While acknowledging these findings, she denied a request to block the operation, BBC and PBS reported.

Key details of the ruling and context:

*Context: The ruling was part of a lawsuit regarding "Operation Metro Surge" in Minnesota, which included the fatal shooting of a Minneapolis resident by an ICE agent.
Findings: Menendez stated there was evidence of "profound and even heartbreaking" effects on residents, including the aforementioned misconduct.

"Decision: Despite these concerns, she denied the injunction to stop the surge because she found the case did not meet the high threshold for immediate, sweeping relief at this stage of the lawsuit, WJHL noted.



*Related Litigation: The judge separately noted that another injunction she issued restricting agent tactics at protests was recently blocked by an appellate court, The New York Times stated.

Meanwhile

In late January 2026, an internal memo from a top U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) official reportedly ordered agents in Minneapolis not to interact or communicate with protesters (referred to in the memo as "agitators").
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Re: WTF is wrong with Minnesota?
« Reply #1239 on: February 01, 2026, 01:25:14 PM »
AI perspectives
In her Saturday ruling, U.S. District Judge Alexandra Menendez noted evidence that ICE and CBP agents have engaged in "racial profiling, excessive use of force, and other harmful actions" during a heightened immigration enforcement surge in Minnesota. While acknowledging these findings, she denied a request to block the operation, BBC and PBS reported.

Key details of the ruling and context:

*Context: The ruling was part of a lawsuit regarding "Operation Metro Surge" in Minnesota, which included the fatal shooting of a Minneapolis resident by an ICE agent.
Findings: Menendez stated there was evidence of "profound and even heartbreaking" effects on residents, including the aforementioned misconduct.

"Decision: Despite these concerns, she denied the injunction to stop the surge because she found the case did not meet the high threshold for immediate, sweeping relief at this stage of the lawsuit, WJHL noted.



*Related Litigation: The judge separately noted that another injunction she issued restricting agent tactics at protests was recently blocked by an appellate court, The New York Times stated.

Meanwhile

In late January 2026, an internal memo from a top U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) official reportedly ordered agents in Minneapolis not to interact or communicate with protesters (referred to in the memo as "agitators").







As I said, the defendant's have "been hindered by Plaintiffs’ refusal to assist with federal immigration enforcement efforts."

And in the related case, the injunction wasn't only blocked by the appellate court. The court held that the class certification had no chance to succeed.

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Re: WTF is wrong with Minnesota?
« Reply #1240 on: February 01, 2026, 01:50:44 PM »
As I said, the defendant's have "been hindered by Plaintiffs’ refusal to assist with federal immigration enforcement efforts."

And in the related case, the injunction wasn't only blocked by the appellate court. The court held that the class certification had no chance to succeed.

And there are sound reasons for local enforcement not acting as immigration officers. If you watched Law & Order etc. you should know that.

They don't need 3400 poorly trained agents violating the 4th amendment and creating more problems than they solve.

Minneapolis and St. Paul have about 1200 officers combined.
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Re: WTF is wrong with Minnesota?
« Reply #1241 on: February 01, 2026, 02:17:27 PM »
"Plaintiff's refusal to assist" could not be much clearer.

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Re: WTF is wrong with Minnesota?
« Reply #1242 on: February 01, 2026, 02:31:35 PM »
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Sanctuary cities are jurisdictions that limit cooperation with federal immigration authorities, primarily by declining to honor "detainers" issued by Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) for individuals in local custody. These policies, which began in the 1980s, are designed to enhance public safety by encouraging immigrant communities to report crimes without fear of deportation.

The conflict often hinges on the distinction between administrative warrants (issued by ICE) and judicial warrants (issued by a court), with many sanctuaries only honoring the latter.

ICE Detainers (Form I-247)

*Definition: An ICE detainer, or "ICE hold," is a nonbinding request from ICE to a local law enforcement agency (LEA) to maintain custody of a person—who would otherwise be released—for up to 48 hours to allow ICE to take them into custody.

*Legal Status: Federal courts have frequently found that holding individuals solely on the basis of a detainer is illegal and may violate Fourth Amendment protections against unlawful detention.

*Sanctuary Policy: Most sanctuary policies instruct local agencies to refuse these requests, as they are not legally binding commands, and to refrain from notifying ICE about release dates.

Administrative Warrants (Forms I-200, I-205

"Definition: These are civil immigration warrants signed by an ICE supervisor or agent, not an independent judge or magistrate. They authorize the arrest of a noncitizen for immigration purposes.

*Limitations: Because they are not reviewed by a judicial branch officer, they do not authorize nonconsensual entry into a private residence.

*"Secret" Directive: As of early 2026, a legal challenge arose regarding a previously undisclosed ICE directive suggesting that a "Warrant of Removal/Deportation" (Form I-205) could be used to enter homes without consent, which civil liberties advocates argue conflicts with the Fourth Amendment.

Judicial Warrants

"Definition: A warrant issued by a federal or state judge/magistrate based on a finding of probable cause

*Authority: A judicial warrant authorizes law enforcement to make an arrest, search, or seizure, and must be complied with, including entry into private homes.

*Sanctuary Requirement: Many sanctuary jurisdictions will only cooperate with ICE if they provide a judicial warrant, citing the need for constitutional compliance.

History

*1980s Origins: Sanctuary policies originated in the 1980s when religious organizations provided sanctuary to Central American refugees fleeing civil war, which the Reagan administration classified as "economic migration".

*First Municipalities: San Francisco was the first to adopt a formal "City of Refuge" ordinance (No. 12-h) in 1989, prohibiting the use of city resources for federal immigration enforcement.

*2017–Present: The Trump administration attempted to revoke federal funding for sanctuary cities, resulting in legal battles over the scope of 8 U.S.C. § 1373, which concerns information sharing.

Rationale

*Public Safety & Trust: The primary argument is that when local police act as immigration agents, immigrants stop reporting crimes, making communities less safe.

"Resource Allocation: Local jurisdictions argue that detaining immigrants for civil infractions is a federal responsibility and a waste of local taxpayer money and police resources.

*Constitutional Protection: Supporters argue that complying with ICE requests without a judicial warrant violates the Fourth Amendment rights of residents.

Recent Developments (2025–2026)

*Stricter Detentions: An ICE memo issued around July 2025 instructed Enforcement and Removal Operations (ERO) officers that individuals who entered without inspection were generally no longer eligible for bail, aiming for expedited removal.

*Increased Detainers: Some cities, such as Boston, saw a sharp rise in detainer requests (57 in 2025 vs. 15 in 2024), despite local policies to reject them.

*Litigation: Legal challenges are currently addressing whether administrative warrants can be used to enter private homes, with lawsuits arguing they violate the Fourth Amendment.
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Re: WTF is wrong with Minnesota?
« Reply #1243 on: February 01, 2026, 02:33:56 PM »
"Plaintiff's refusal to assist" could not be much clearer.

This is equally clear, regardless of bad court decisions

Public Safety & Trust: The primary argument is that when local police act as immigration agents, immigrants stop reporting crimes, making communities less safe.

"Resource Allocation: Local jurisdictions argue that detaining immigrants for civil infractions is a federal responsibility and a waste of local taxpayer money and police resources.

*Constitutional Protection: Supporters argue that complying with ICE requests without a judicial warrant violates the Fourth Amendment rights of residents.
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Re: WTF is wrong with Minnesota?
« Reply #1244 on: February 01, 2026, 05:21:36 PM »
Training must be really bad if guys with their tenure are shooting people...

https://www.propublica.org/article/alex-pretti-shooting-cbp-agents-identified-jesus-ochoa-raymundo-gutierrez
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