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WTF is wrong with Minnesota?

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Re: WTF is wrong with Minnesota?
« Reply #300 on: January 07, 2026, 05:19:21 PM »
Quote from: Custard on January 07, 2026, 05:11:11 PM
Yeah not even remotely comparable

Actually, you are correct. The crowd there was 4-500 and they were MF'ing the British troops while hitting them with clubs, rocks, and snowballs.
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Re: WTF is wrong with Minnesota?
« Reply #301 on: January 07, 2026, 05:20:34 PM »
Quote from: Custard on January 07, 2026, 05:18:30 PM
Same point I was trying to make. Don’t drive your vehicle at the agent with the gun pointed at you. But glad Walz is out in front of the messaging!

Doesn't mean it wasn't completely horrendous policing tactics.
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Re: WTF is wrong with Minnesota?
« Reply #302 on: January 07, 2026, 05:24:09 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on January 07, 2026, 05:10:33 PM
Neither am I. If stopped for a traffic stop the cops do not stand in front of your car. They looked to be planning on making an arrest by directing her to get out of the car though.

I'm not an expert but you can spot several clear flaws here. If you step in front of that car, you're basically committing yourself to shooting the occupant. If you don't think that's a reasonable outcome to the situation, don't step in front of the car. If you do, might as well just shoot first, THEN step in front of the car.

If the occupant of the car was a "danger" - a "domestic terrorist" - what the holy hell is that other officer doing walking right up to the driver's side door and trying to open the car door. Trained officers do not approach a car like that and say (quote) "Get out of the fucking car". What if the driver had a gun? If you are so unworried that the driver has a gun that you just wander up to the car and grab the door handle - why would you be afraid they are going to try to intentionally run you over? The cop in front pulled a gun, and the driver freaked the fuck out. I've had a gun pointed at me and I sure as hell freaked the fuck out. I didn't calmly negotiate the situation. The cops asked me to describe the person with the gun, I said "Male". That's all I remembered. "What color?" - "I don't know". "How tall" - "I don't know".

The longer form video shows a lot more.
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Re: WTF is wrong with Minnesota?
« Reply #303 on: January 07, 2026, 05:25:34 PM »
Quote from: Custard on January 07, 2026, 05:18:30 PM
Same point I was trying to make. Don’t drive your vehicle at the agent with the gun pointed at you. But glad Walz is out in front of the messaging!

Have you ever had a gun pointed at you, in a situation where you didn't expect that to happen?

If not, shut the fuck up.
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Re: WTF is wrong with Minnesota?
« Reply #304 on: January 07, 2026, 05:29:09 PM »
Quote from: murphstahoe on January 07, 2026, 05:24:09 PM
I'm not an expert but you can spot several clear flaws here. If you step in front of that car, you're basically committing yourself to shooting the occupant. If you don't think that's a reasonable outcome to the situation, don't step in front of the car. If you do, might as well just shoot first, THEN step in front of the car.

If the occupant of the car was a "danger" - a "domestic terrorist" - what the holy hell is that other officer doing walking right up to the driver's side door and trying to open the car door. Trained officers do not approach a car like that and say (quote) "Get out of the fucking car". What if the driver had a gun? If you are so unworried that the driver has a gun that you just wander up to the car and grab the door handle - why would you be afraid they are going to try to intentionally run you over? The cop in front pulled a gun, and the driver freaked the fuck out. I've had a gun pointed at me and I sure as hell freaked the fuck out. I didn't calmly negotiate the situation. The cops asked me to describe the person with the gun, I said "Male". That's all I remembered. "What color?" - "I don't know". "How tall" - "I don't know".

The longer form video shows a lot more.

I would think you stand in front of the car if you are making an arrest to prevent the driver from fleeing. Not saying it is the smartest move or what they teach you at "the academy."  Plenty of morons out there, including those who do not care. Even purported 37 year old white lesbians.

The "new angle" here certainly looks like she hit/brushed the cop.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15443231/minneapolis-ice-shooting-victim-wife-screams.html
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Re: WTF is wrong with Minnesota?
« Reply #305 on: January 07, 2026, 05:30:38 PM »
Quote from: Custard on January 07, 2026, 05:18:30 PM
Same point I was trying to make. Don’t drive your vehicle at the agent with the gun pointed at you. But glad Walz is out in front of the messaging!

Note also - three shots fired. Two of them after the vehicle passed the ICE officer - and the driver could not in any way be construed as a threat to the shooter.
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Re: WTF is wrong with Minnesota?
« Reply #306 on: January 07, 2026, 05:30:43 PM »
Quote from: murphstahoe on January 07, 2026, 05:25:34 PM
Have you ever had a gun pointed at you, in a situation where you didn't expect that to happen?

If not, shut the fuck up.

By ICE? No. Sure as shit would not start driving away and hit/almost hit an ICE or police officer though. I am not that big of a self-entitled jackass.
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Re: WTF is wrong with Minnesota?
« Reply #307 on: January 07, 2026, 05:33:30 PM »
Quote from: murphstahoe on January 07, 2026, 05:30:38 PM
Note also - three shots fired. Two of them after the vehicle passed the ICE officer - and the driver could not in any way be construed as a threat to the shooter.

Maybe the next poet will comply with the law enforcement directive to get out of the car.
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Re: WTF is wrong with Minnesota?
« Reply #308 on: January 07, 2026, 05:35:36 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on January 07, 2026, 05:29:09 PM
I would think you stand in front of the car if you are making an arrest to prevent the driver from fleeing.

If you absolutely need to prevent the driver from fleeing, at that point you've committed to shooting the driver if needed - "Stop or I'll shoot". That would only apply if the driver was clearly a downstream threat if they flee.

This case is far closer to situations where officer training dictates that they disengage from high speed chases so they don't cause collateral damage beyond the value of apprehending the person fleeing. Let her go. Body cam has the license plate, and image of the driver. If there is a reason to arrest her, she'll be trivially located. This was not "Stop or I'll shoot" worthy.
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Re: WTF is wrong with Minnesota?
« Reply #309 on: January 07, 2026, 05:41:23 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on January 07, 2026, 05:30:43 PM
By ICE? No. Sure as shit would not start driving away and hit/almost hit an ICE or police officer though. I am not that big of a self-entitled jackass.

I'm telling you - a gun is pointed at you - imminent chance of your life being ended - and rational thought is gone.

Hell, when I was a teenager, I was taking a piss behind a 7-11, I see a car driving down the alley, zip up and start to walk away. Car speeds up - I start to run. I hear someone running after me, when I get to the front of the 7-11, hear someone yelling "something", I stop, turn around, it's a cop. He has a walkie talkie in his hand, I thought it was a gun, I said "Holy shit don't shoot me". He says "It's just a radio kid". I don't think my HR went under 190 for the next half hour.

Not one part of that whole interaction made any sense, I was just in lizard mode. Now imagine some dude in body armor is yelling expletives at you, his buddy has a gun pointed at you. At that point, it's not thought, it's random instinct, "I want to get the hell away from here". Might be someone who's never seen a gun before in their life.

That's why we train police officers, because civilians are NOT trained.
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Re: WTF is wrong with Minnesota?
« Reply #310 on: January 07, 2026, 05:42:18 PM »
Quote from: murphstahoe on January 07, 2026, 05:35:36 PM
If you absolutely need to prevent the driver from fleeing, at that point you've committed to shooting the driver if needed - "Stop or I'll shoot". That would only apply if the driver was clearly a downstream threat if they flee.

This case is far closer to situations where officer training dictates that they disengage from high speed chases so they don't cause collateral damage beyond the value of apprehending the person fleeing. Let her go. Body cam has the license plate, and image of the driver. If there is a reason to arrest her, she'll be trivially located. This was not "Stop or I'll shoot" worthy.

As previously noted, it does not appear to be good, appropriate, or even wise, policing strategy. Nevertheless, don't be a dumbass especially when everyone knows these ICE dudes are poorly trained and don't give a shit about shooting someone. If you are engaging in "civil disobedience" you are supposed to be willing to pay the price. Not that the current clowns in the DOJ ever can convict any of the "domestic terrorists" who are protesting ICE.
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Re: WTF is wrong with Minnesota?
« Reply #311 on: January 07, 2026, 05:45:35 PM »
Quote from: murphstahoe on January 07, 2026, 05:41:23 PM
I'm telling you - a gun is pointed at you - imminent chance of your life being ended - and rational thought is gone.

Hell, when I was a teenager, I was taking a piss behind a 7-11, I see a car driving down the alley, zip up and start to walk away. Car speeds up - I start to run. I hear someone running after me, when I get to the front of the 7-11, hear someone yelling "something", I stop, turn around, it's a cop. He has a walkie talkie in his hand, I thought it was a gun, I said "Holy shit don't shoot me". He says "It's just a radio kid". I don't think my HR went under 190 for the next half hour.

Not one part of that whole interaction made any sense, I was just in lizard mode. Now imagine some dude in body armor is yelling expletives at you, his buddy has a gun pointed at you. At that point, it's not thought, it's random instinct, "I want to get the hell away from here". Might be someone who's never seen a gun before in their life.

That's why we train police officers, because civilians are NOT trained.

One, you were a white teenager. Probably why you are alive.

Two, these are ICE officers. They are recruited via Soviet style propaganda TV ads. Half of them appear to be using their own cars. What training do you think they actually have had?
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Re: WTF is wrong with Minnesota?
« Reply #312 on: January 07, 2026, 05:58:02 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on January 07, 2026, 05:45:35 PM
Two, these are ICE officers. They are recruited via Soviet style propaganda TV ads. Half of them appear to be using their own cars. What training do you think they actually have had?

Yes. Any response that calls the driver a dumbass, misses the point. We have crazy dumbasses who played HS Football until they flunked out in their Junior year, and have been sitting in the basement watching porn and drinking beer, running around the country with guns taking orders from Stephen Miller. That's the problem. Full stop/.
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Re: WTF is wrong with Minnesota?
« Reply #313 on: January 07, 2026, 06:36:20 PM »
Quote from: Judge Judy on January 07, 2026, 04:30:05 PM
I didn’t say I don’t believe it, just gonna need some more credible sources…

Well you are free to look for them. It's not my job.
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Re: WTF is wrong with Minnesota?
« Reply #314 on: January 07, 2026, 06:47:47 PM »
Quote from: Hired Gun on January 07, 2026, 06:36:20 PM
Well you are free to look for them. It's not my job.

Just everyone else’s to go back 3-5 years to prove a college basketball game was lost on FT’s… LOLOLOLOL
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