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What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?

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Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
« Reply #135 on: April 09, 2026, 03:29:40 PM »
Quote from: Reacher on April 09, 2026, 02:49:27 PM
Yes, your opinion matters only. Nothing else.

If I said I was an Iranian/Soviet/Chinese troll farmer, you would agree with me.....
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Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
« Reply #136 on: April 09, 2026, 04:28:50 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on April 09, 2026, 03:19:55 PM
Aside from facts, which you disdain.

Ok, provide some them. With something other than your opinion to back it up
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Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
« Reply #137 on: April 09, 2026, 04:49:34 PM »
Quote from: Reacher on April 09, 2026, 04:28:50 PM
Ok, provide some them. With something other than your opinion to back it up

Fact: you post stuff here from troll farms. Boom goes the dynamite....
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Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
« Reply #138 on: April 09, 2026, 06:05:26 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on April 09, 2026, 04:49:34 PM
Fact: you post stuff here from troll farms. Boom goes the dynamite....

You can’t tell fact from fiction, so you’re not the best judge. You are too focused on the origin of the content to actually listen to whether or not it/they make valid points. You’ve done the same thing regarding sports journalism. No “source” meets YOUR criteria unless it fits your narrative. In sports or politics.
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Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
« Reply #139 on: April 09, 2026, 09:47:47 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on April 09, 2026, 03:22:53 PM
Nichi, that fucking Progressive piece of shit (redundant) Myorkis did not do jack shit re the border. Whether Biden caused it or not his asylum policies played a role as I get the DHS emails daily notifying us of the rollback of immigration orders for Haiti, Syria, Venezuela (I can go on and on).

Exactly. It’s classic revisionist denialism to believe Biden and his administration/handlers didn’t cause the border crisis. He openly encouraged mass migration during his campaign and they were basically waiting to enter in January of 2021 when he assumed office. Charts show  this perfectly.

Late in his term, Democrats responded to the crisis by saying they couldn’t do a damn thing about it without bipartisan legislation. It never came because Republicans/Trump knew it was an issue that could win them the presidency. It would have been incredibly stupid for the GOP to bail the Dems out of the mess they’d made in an election year.

The Biden admin made some changes and slowed things down but it was too little, too late.

What it all boils down to really is that all the suicidal empathetic euro commies took a ton of refugees and asylum seekers the last 10-15 years beforehand as a bit of a mea culpa for displacing people in areas where western nations had been involved in interventionist conflicts. Meanwhile the American left was still pissed about the audacity of the border wall and Trump’s harsh rhetoric on illegal immigration (that fundamentally wasn’t any different that what 1990s Democrats stumped on).

So it was basically our turn to do that same and show the other western nations that we too would absorb refugees and asylum seekers from nations where economies and leadership had been impacted to some degree by our own interventionist policies. And in some cases, just because. All a noble cause I suppose, but just like many other liberal policies I hate, it’s long on feel goods and short on actual real world functionality.

Just wait til a stadium or something gets blown up one of these days by a foreign sleeper cell that came in while Biden was napping.
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Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
« Reply #140 on: April 09, 2026, 09:53:14 PM »
Quote from: Reacher on April 09, 2026, 06:05:26 PM
You can’t tell fact from fiction, so you’re not the best judge. You are too focused on the origin of the content to actually listen to whether or not it/they make valid points. You’ve done the same thing regarding sports journalism. No “source” meets YOUR criteria unless it fits your narrative. In sports or politics.
Sources matter. You seem to cite a lot of bots from The Twotter here.
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Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
« Reply #141 on: April 09, 2026, 09:58:17 PM »
Quote from: illiniray on April 09, 2026, 02:41:46 PM
Did you think Democrats should have held primaries after Biden stepped down? "Promoting" his VP nominee was the only rational move.

No, Democrats should have been honest with the country and themselves about the rapidly declining state of Biden’s cognitive abilities. Instead they spent the winter and spring months of 2024 pumping out the same “sharp as a tack” talking points to every friendly media outlet. All these outlets then turned around and pumped out the same message ad nauseum to the American people, who they thought were too stupid to see the truth.

Then the disastrous debate came and it was way too late to do anything but trot Kamala out there to lose to Trump. Complain about Trump all you want but I can’t find much of a reason to want the party that mismanaged that whole fiasco so poorly to run the country either. What a clown show.

There aren’t any participation trophies and pats on the back for bad campaigns. Elections have consequences, and the Democrat party would be better served to take that harsh medicine and regroup with purpose and a real message than keep pretending it was only the economy that caused defeat. Apparently they haven’t learned anything from 2016 (Russians!) or 2024.
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Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
« Reply #142 on: April 09, 2026, 10:47:37 PM »
Quote from: Custard on April 09, 2026, 09:47:47 PM
Exactly. It’s classic revisionist denialism to believe Biden and his administration/handlers didn’t cause the border crisis. He openly encouraged mass migration during his campaign and they were basically waiting to enter in January of 2021 when he assumed office. Charts show  this perfectly.


I’m not saying you’re making this up completely, but if you could provide some support for this statement, that’d be great.
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Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
« Reply #143 on: April 09, 2026, 11:20:48 PM »
Quote from: Reacher on April 09, 2026, 10:47:37 PM
I’m not saying you’re making this up completely, but if you could provide some support for this statement, that’d be great.

The “surge to the border” comments he made during his campaign for the 2020 Presidency. Guess what happened when he was elected? They surged to the border.



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Internal campaign advisers privately warned in 2020 memos that these promises—combined with pent-up demand after Trump restrictions and COVID economic pressures—could trigger a “surge,” “chaos,” and “humanitarian crisis” at the border. These warnings proved prescient, as encounters rose sharply even before Biden took office. 

Critics argue the overall message (dismantling deterrents while emphasizing humanitarian treatment) functioned as de facto encouragement, especially since many migrants later cited Biden’s election as a reason for attempting entry.

Here’s a handy-dandy graph showing encounters at the border the last 20 years. Note the massive spike immediately after Biden took office and how it went to almost zero after Trump took office again. But Ray says it’s Trump’s fault. 😂

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Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
« Reply #144 on: April 10, 2026, 12:41:49 AM »
Quote from: Custard on April 09, 2026, 11:20:48 PM


Here’s a handy-dandy graph showing encounters at the border the last 20 years. Note the massive spike immediately after Biden took office and how it went to almost zero after Trump took office again. But Ray says it’s Trump’s fault. 😂


That's the graph of your bank account.
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Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
« Reply #145 on: April 10, 2026, 08:46:06 AM »
Quote from: Custard on April 09, 2026, 11:20:48 PM
The “surge to the border” comments he made during his campaign for the 2020 Presidency. Guess what happened when he was elected? They surged to the border.



From Grok:

Here’s a handy-dandy graph showing encounters at the border the last 20 years. Note the massive spike immediately after Biden took office and how it went to almost zero after Trump took office again. But Ray says it’s Trump’s fault. 😂




Close enough, I guess.
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Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
« Reply #146 on: April 11, 2026, 03:03:55 PM »
January 16, 2025 6:01AM
Biden Didn’t Cause the Border Crisis, Part 1: Summary

The actual causes of the increases in illegal immigration were:

*Unprecedented labor demand, which incentivized and funded migration from around the world: From February 2021 to August 2024, there were more open jobs each month than in any month before Biden’s term began. During this time, economies worldwide were recovering far less quickly than the United States. As labor demand subsided in 2024, immigration fell.

*Unprecedented access to information about migration through the Internet and social media: Internet access rose rapidly from 2018 to 2021, nearly doubling in Central America and reaching unprecedented highs in South America. Social media platforms gave people step-by-step instructions on migrating and connected them directly with smugglers. This opened migration from around the world, which contributed to the number of releases.

*Novel and perverse enforcement policies: The Title 42 expulsion policy incentivized repeat crossings by returning people to Mexico, where they could immediately attempt to re-enter the United States. Title 42 also cut off access to asylum, incentivizing more Border Patrol evasions.

*Novel and perverse legal migration policies: Title 42 not only banned asylum for people who crossed illegally but also prohibited legal entries by asylum seekers, including demographic groups that had traditionally always entered legally, like Haitians, Cubans, and Mexican families. Biden eventually increased legal entries by these groups and others, limiting the crisis’s extent and ultimately contributing to its end.

A lot more: https://www.cato.org/blog/biden-didnt-cause-border-crisis-part-1-summary
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Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
« Reply #147 on: April 11, 2026, 10:02:47 PM »
Written days before Biden left office. Got it.

The border crisis would have occured under whomever was President berween 2021 and 2025. It was just an unfortunate concurrence of perverse policies and societal events while Biden was in office that were outside of the President's control.


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Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
« Reply #148 on: April 11, 2026, 10:53:37 PM »
"The border crisis started before Biden came into office or was even elected and it ended before he left office."
https://www.cato.org/blog/biden-didnt-cause-border-crisis-part-3-would-trump-have-stopped-biden-border-crisis

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Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
« Reply #149 on: April 11, 2026, 11:09:58 PM »
Quote from: Somewhere in Mn on April 11, 2026, 10:02:47 PM
Written days before Biden left office. Got it.

The border crisis would have occured under whomever was President berween 2021 and 2025. It was just an unfortunate concurrence of perverse policies and societal events while Biden was in office that were outside of the President's control.

No. These were not all outside the President's control.

There is a detailed explanation here:

Explanation 3: Perverse enforcement policies:

Besides Title 42, Biden made another enforcement mistake. The biggest problem for deportations came from Venezuelans and other immigrants who could not be expelled to Mexico and who were logistically difficult or impossible to deport to their home countries. In response, Biden convinced Mexico to ban visa-free legal entries into Mexico for Venezuelans in January 2022, which had previously allowed Venezuelans who could afford to buy plane tickets to Mexico to travel to the US-Mexico border. Biden also convinced Belize and Costa Rica to ban Venezuelans as well, cutting off alternative flights for them.

This “closed border” policy initially reduced arrivals, but the Venezuelan ban backfired. ... https://www.cato.org/blog/biden-didnt-cause-border-crisis-part-4-what-caused-border-crisis
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