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WTF is wrong with Joe Biden today?

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Re: WTF is wrong with Joe Biden today?
« Reply #1035 on: July 28, 2023, 01:31:39 PM »
I joined the boards just before the 2004-2005 season. Knew something special was coming that year. Jesus, hope I don’t get called out for claiming to be “AOTC.”
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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Re: WTF is wrong with Joe Biden today?
« Reply #1036 on: July 28, 2023, 02:39:04 PM »
Quote from: ILLove1997 on July 28, 2023, 11:39:03 AM
Mn is the best poster here, sad you can't see why

Mn is our resident expert at obscuring and obfuscating stuff, using a word salad approach filled with cherry-picked data and information. No wonder you like his posts. 

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Re: WTF is wrong with Joe Biden today?
« Reply #1037 on: July 28, 2023, 03:01:15 PM »
Quote from: alum74 on July 28, 2023, 02:39:04 PM
Mn is our resident expert at obscuring and obfuscating stuff, using a word salad approach filled with cherry-picked data and information. No wonder you like his posts.

Also master of the super repetitive one line hit and run post.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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Re: WTF is wrong with Joe Biden today?
« Reply #1038 on: July 28, 2023, 03:02:28 PM »
Quote from: Custard on July 28, 2023, 12:32:49 PM
One thing Golf is actually right about is that “science” (big pharma) really got the bleeding hearts to carry their water.

Making memes about or questioning sketchy scientific data put forth by the very massive corporations that stood to benefit the most is perfectly reasonable, not a right wing conspiracy theory.

Lots of ordinary people lost their livelihoods, careers and reputations for rightfully pushing back against the big money interests, and the left cheered.

Feel bad for all the people that died because they were fed a steady diet of false or misleading information.   
https://www.npr.org/2022/05/16/1099070400/how-vaccine-misinformation-made-the-covid-19-death-toll-worse
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Re: WTF is wrong with Joe Biden today?
« Reply #1039 on: July 28, 2023, 03:04:26 PM »
They suffered from FDS. 
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Re: WTF is wrong with Joe Biden today?
« Reply #1040 on: July 28, 2023, 03:33:32 PM »
Quote from: alum74 on July 28, 2023, 03:02:28 PM
Feel bad for all the people that died because they were fed a steady diet of false or misleading information.   
https://www.npr.org/2022/05/16/1099070400/how-vaccine-misinformation-made-the-covid-19-death-toll-worse

They don’t count. They were weak.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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Re: WTF is wrong with Joe Biden today?
« Reply #1041 on: July 28, 2023, 03:34:15 PM »
Quote from: alum74 on July 28, 2023, 03:02:28 PM
Feel bad for all the people that died because they were fed a steady diet of false or misleading information.   
https://www.npr.org/2022/05/16/1099070400/how-vaccine-misinformation-made-the-covid-19-death-toll-worse
The 1st paragraph is misinformation.

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Re: WTF is wrong with Joe Biden today?
« Reply #1042 on: July 28, 2023, 03:36:23 PM »
Quote from: Mn on July 28, 2023, 03:34:15 PM
The 1st paragraph is misinformation.

Expound.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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Re: WTF is wrong with Joe Biden today?
« Reply #1043 on: July 28, 2023, 04:00:49 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on July 28, 2023, 03:36:23 PM
Expound.
What's your preference ? Gobbledygook, obfuscation or cherry-picked data ?

Vaccinated people die of Covid.
Vaccination improves your chances of survival. It doesn't guarantee it. I said the same thing responding to one of your posts quite a while ago.

"the United States Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) data show that about 6 in 10 adults dying of COVID-19 were vaccinated or boosted, and that’s remained true through at least August 2022 (the most recent month of data)."
https://www.kff.org/policy-watch/why-do-vaccinated-people-represent-most-covid-19-deaths-right-now/

Look at the April 2022 figures in the KFF study, the month before the NPR article was written.
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Re: WTF is wrong with Joe Biden today?
« Reply #1044 on: July 28, 2023, 06:21:27 PM »
Quote from: Mn on July 28, 2023, 04:00:49 PM
What's your preference ? Gobbledygook, obfuscation or cherry-picked data ?

Vaccinated people die of Covid.
Vaccination improves your chances of survival. It doesn't guarantee it. I said the same thing responding to one of your posts quite a while ago.

"the United States Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) data show that about 6 in 10 adults dying of COVID-19 were vaccinated or boosted, and that’s remained true through at least August 2022 (the most recent month of data)."
https://www.kff.org/policy-watch/why-do-vaccinated-people-represent-most-covid-19-deaths-right-now/

Look at the April 2022 figures in the KFF study, the month before the NPR article was written.

Apples and oranges: the NPR article was addressing the problem with unvaccinated people dying who were spoon fed misinformation about the vaccine.  Here's another article:  https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/how-misinformation-and-the-partisan-divide-drove-a-surge-in-u-s-covid-deaths

And of course you left something out from the KFF article that you cited. 

"What explains the rising share of COVID-19 deaths among vaccinated people?"

"There are several factors at play here, including a rising share of the population that is vaccinated, waning immune protection and low uptake of boosters, and changes in immunity among the unvaccinated. New variants combined with a reduction in masking and other non-pharmaceutical interventions may also lead to more transmission, which can in turn lead to more deaths."

Like I said, your cherry-picking skills are highly evolved. 
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Re: WTF is wrong with Joe Biden today?
« Reply #1045 on: July 28, 2023, 06:36:12 PM »
Quote from: alum74 on July 28, 2023, 06:21:27 PM
Apples and oranges: the NPR article was addressing the problem with unvaccinated people dying who were spoon fed misinformation about the vaccine.  Here's another article:  https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/how-misinformation-and-the-partisan-divide-drove-a-surge-in-u-s-covid-deaths

And of course you left something out from the KFF article that you cited. 

"What explains the rising share of COVID-19 deaths among vaccinated people?"

"There are several factors at play here, including a rising share of the population that is vaccinated, waning immune protection and low uptake of boosters, and changes in immunity among the unvaccinated. New variants combined with a reduction in masking and other non-pharmaceutical interventions may also lead to more transmission, which can in turn lead to more deaths."

Like I said, your cherry-picking skills are highly evolved.

His cherry-picking skills are elite.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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Re: WTF is wrong with Joe Biden today?
« Reply #1046 on: July 28, 2023, 07:51:05 PM »
Quote from: alum74 on July 28, 2023, 06:21:27 PM
Apples and oranges: the NPR article was addressing the problem with unvaccinated people dying who were spoon fed misinformation about the vaccine.  Here's another article:  https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/how-misinformation-and-the-partisan-divide-drove-a-surge-in-u-s-covid-deaths

And of course you left something out from the KFF article that you cited. 

"What explains the rising share of COVID-19 deaths among vaccinated people?"

"There are several factors at play here, including a rising share of the population that is vaccinated, waning immune protection and low uptake of boosters, and changes in immunity among the unvaccinated. New variants combined with a reduction in masking and other non-pharmaceutical interventions may also lead to more transmission, which can in turn lead to more deaths."

Like I said, your cherry-picking skills are highly evolved. 
From the KFF study in the paragraph following your cherry-picked part ...
"COVID-19 vaccines are very effective at preventing severe illness and death, but they are not perfect, so deaths among vaccinated people will still occur."

From the NPR article .....
"if you tally up the number of unvaccinated people who died from COVID after vaccines were open to all adults last year, it's about 319,000 lives lost, according to a Brown University analysis. That is nearly one-third of all COVID deaths in the U.S., people who could be alive if they'd gotten vaccinated."
And from Dr. Johnson: "It's just heartbreaking, you know, when it was preventable."

The vaccines were never shown to be 100% effective in preventing death.
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Re: WTF is wrong with Joe Biden today?
« Reply #1047 on: July 28, 2023, 08:13:26 PM »
Quote from: Mn on July 28, 2023, 07:51:05 PM
From the KFF study in the paragraph following your cherry-picked part ...
"COVID-19 vaccines are very effective at preventing severe illness and death, but they are not perfect, so deaths among vaccinated people will still occur."

From the NPR article .....
"if you tally up the number of unvaccinated people who died from COVID after vaccines were open to all adults last year, it's about 319,000 lives lost, according to a Brown University analysis. That is nearly one-third of all COVID deaths in the U.S., people who could be alive if they'd gotten vaccinated."
And from Dr. Johnson: "It's just heartbreaking, you know, when it was preventable."

The vaccines were never shown to be 100% effective in preventing death.

Sorry Mn, not going to follow you into another rabbit hole.
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Re: WTF is wrong with Joe Biden today?
« Reply #1048 on: July 28, 2023, 08:22:16 PM »
Quote from: Mn on July 28, 2023, 07:51:05 PM
From the KFF study in the paragraph following your cherry-picked part ...
"COVID-19 vaccines are very effective at preventing severe illness and death, but they are not perfect, so deaths among vaccinated people will still occur."

From the NPR article .....
"if you tally up the number of unvaccinated people who died from COVID after vaccines were open to all adults last year, it's about 319,000 lives lost, according to a Brown University analysis. That is nearly one-third of all COVID deaths in the U.S., people who could be alive if they'd gotten vaccinated."
And from Dr. Johnson: "It's just heartbreaking, you know, when it was preventable."

The vaccines were never shown to be 100% effective in preventing death.

We all know that now and soon after it came out. But the issue is misinformation causing preventable deaths and trying to stop it.

Now, I could go all real politik here and say that Sleepy Joe, and those of us who are sane, shouldn't care or feel sorry for the  shitheads in the COVID Death Sweetspot who fell for the Soviet and/or Right/Left Wing misinformation on the vaccine as it may help evolution by weeding out the dumbshits, but there are people who could not take the vaccine who may have counted on said shitheads getting the vaccine to try and mitigate its effects.
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Re: WTF is wrong with Joe Biden today?
« Reply #1049 on: July 28, 2023, 09:05:08 PM »
Quote from: Mn on July 28, 2023, 07:51:05 PM
From the KFF study in the paragraph following your cherry-picked part ...
"COVID-19 vaccines are very effective at preventing severe illness and death, but they are not perfect, so deaths among vaccinated people will still occur."

From the NPR article .....
"if you tally up the number of unvaccinated people who died from COVID after vaccines were open to all adults last year, it's about 319,000 lives lost, according to a Brown University analysis. That is nearly one-third of all COVID deaths in the U.S., people who could be alive if they'd gotten vaccinated."
And from Dr. Johnson: "It's just heartbreaking, you know, when it was preventable."

The vaccines were never shown to be 100% effective in preventing death.

Outside of some slightly exaggerated numbers at the beginning, whoever said it would be “100% effective?” To the best of my recollection it was always 95% ish or better.
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