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WTF is wrong with Joe Biden today?

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Re: WTF is wrong with Joe Biden today?
« Reply #765 on: August 25, 2022, 08:55:20 PM »
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It seems so arbitrary. Why does Biden not want to do the same thing for loans on trucks owned by plumbers? Why not for mortgages — which, given how heavily it subsidizes them, the federal government clearly thinks are worthwhile? Why not for credit cards or auto payments or mom-and-pop credit lines? The answer, I’m afraid to say, is disgustingly classist: Because Joe Biden and his party believe that college students are better than everyone else. Because Joe Biden and his party believe that college students are of a finer cut. Because Joe Biden and his party prefer college students to you, and they think that those students ought to be rewarded for that by being handed enormous gobs of your money.

Electricians, store managers, deli workers, landscapers, waitresses, mechanics, entrepreneurs? Screw ’em. Sure, college graduates make more money than non-graduates, and their unemployment rate is lower, too. But non-graduates don’t have access to the president, so they don’t matter. They’re tradesmen, the riff-raff, the great unwashed. They’re background noise, dirty-handed types, second-classers. They don’t deserve $10,000 in debt reduction. What would they even do with it? Go hunting? Give it to their church? Their role is to subsidize the superior people, and the superior people go to college.

regarding this student loan stuff, it really showcases to me how bad the pundits that aren't crazy republicans really are.

There is this big refrain "why aren't we forgiving the loan for the plumber who had to buy a truck"

The plumber gets to deduct not only the interest on that loan, but gets to depreciate the truck and deduct that off his taxes. I don't recall ever deducting my tuition from my taxes, despite it being a work requirement. Then the plumber after fully depreciating the van, eventually sells it and conveniently forgets to declare the sales price as income.

They then make the same argument about a home mortgage. Interest is also deductable, and homes are generally appreciating assets. A college education is a depreciating asset. If I were to enter the job market today with my credentials from 1992, I wouldn't get through the door.
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Re: WTF is wrong with Joe Biden today?
« Reply #766 on: August 25, 2022, 10:19:32 PM »
I only recently began thinking about this the other day, but he should have added a volunteering aspect to this. If you want the reduction, then you need to do some work for some non-profit. Yeah. I know  documentation and  fraud issues abound, but why not have people do something other than "apply"?

This all sounds fantastic in the weirdo utopia, but if you are trying to grow a country, you want young people being productive starting businesses or working for companies, and retirees who haven't hit the physical skids doing the volunteering. Yes, young people should do some volunteer work, that is what builds the understanding that it's part of the contract that when you have free time in retirement you should do volunteer work, but this is the time they need to make hay.

It's the same about the idiotic argument about college kids having a 20 hour a week fast food job during the school year for some sort of put some skin in the game work hard concept, instead of them studying for at least 10 of those hours and graduating more prepared. I was working at the Union Bookstore, they overscheduled me during finals week and I said "I quit". The manager said "you can't do this in the real world" and I said "I find it amusing that you feel that you work in the non-real world, and if I want to make it to the real world, the $50 I would get from working 20 hours during finals week will only drown my sorrows at Kams if I get a D in semiconductor physics and don't get that job at Intel paying 2x that an hour"

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Re: WTF is wrong with Joe Biden today?
« Reply #767 on: August 25, 2022, 10:20:34 PM »
Maybe after school choice gets going, we could get a parent loan program started for primary and secondary education. Offer to pay for high school if the children agree to serve in the military upon graduation.

We really should have a National goal that fewer people need to be in the military, not more.

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Re: WTF is wrong with Joe Biden today?
« Reply #768 on: August 25, 2022, 10:43:16 PM »
From Mike Rowe:


I work hard on this page, (not as hard as I could, perhaps, but pretty hard), to avoid the politics of the moment, and comment only on topics that impact the foundation I’m proud to run – a foundation that awards work-ethic scholarships to individuals who choose to forego an expensive, four-year education in favor of a skilled trade.

This is bullshit. I'm getting a heat pump installed next week. Solidly into 5 figures, all in. A lot of the dirty work will be done by a kid who is foregoing an expensive four year education in favor of a skilled trade. That kid will be paid at minimum $30/hr to do so. By the end of four years, he'll have earned a decent amount of money and also be well up the ladder at the HVAC company. By the end of four years - during which I paid for training instead of being paid to be trained - I earned the right to go to school for 2 more years, but at least I could teach and no longer pay tuition. That tuition waiver made me so happy, but all in it was like $7/hr.



A few moments before I sat down to write this piece, I opened the door to six guys in blue shirts who had come to my house to replace our air-conditioning units. The Florida weather being what it is, I’ve seen some of these guys work on our air conditioners before, and they’re as skilled and knowledgeable and conscientious and hard-working as you might expect. The company they work for, which is local to North Florida, was started by a guy who chose to forgo college in favor of taking out a small-business loan to strike out on his own. Most of the technicians who work for him didn’t go to college, either. They took a different path. And, well . . . what absolute chumps the president has just made of them for that!
How about that. HVAC. The small business loan that guy took out? The interest on it was a tax deduction. All the stuff he bought with that money? Tax deduction. I did not get to deduct EE 250 off my taxes.

Squirm if you like, but that’s the truth of the matter: As of today, the six air-conditioning technicians in my house are on the hook for college loans that were signed for, spent, and enjoyed by other people. Confirming the measure today, President Biden announced that any American who has both college debt they vowed to repay and an individual yearly income under $125,000 (or a family yearly income under $250,000) will be given up to $20,000 by the Treasury — which means by you, and by me, and by everyone else who pays taxes in America.
These guys installing an expensive HVAC system were on the hook for college loans. I see. Let's take a look at our author.

"In 1985, he graduated from Towson University[8][1]: 28  with a degree in communication studies."

Those chumps aren't installing a freaking top of the line HVAC system for some dude who went to wood shop. They are installing it for a guy who went to Towson, in state tuition $10,198. Some how there is this magical theory that those blue collar workers who are pounding in nails to make an honest living are building mansions and putting in $30k heat pumps for the lower middle class. Ain't so. My A/C was on the fritz, I called a guy, he came over, and 2 hours later, voila, I cut a big ass check. With my filthy UIUC Masters in EE lucre.


Another answer that won’t fly is, “To lower the cost of education.” As President Biden made clear today, this is a one-time deal, a lottery, a lightning strike. People who paid off their loans last week aren’t covered. People who will take out new loans after the policy has run its course aren’t covered. The problems in the system aren’t addressed. The colleges, and their endowments, are left unmolested.

I agree. Tuition should be zero.


It seems so arbitrary. Why does Biden not want to do the same thing for loans on trucks owned by plumbers? Why not for mortgages — which, given how heavily it subsidizes them, the federal government clearly thinks are worthwhile? Why not for credit cards or auto payments or mom-and-pop credit lines? The answer, I’m afraid to say, is disgustingly classist: Because Joe Biden and his party believe that college students are better than everyone else. Because Joe Biden and his party believe that college students are of a finer cut. Because Joe Biden and his party prefer college students to you, and they think that those students ought to be rewarded for that by being handed enormous gobs of your money.
Bullshit. For decades, the plumber who buys that truck has been able to deduct the interest on that loan, and depreciate the truck to zero and deduct the truck off his taxes. Then sell the truck and not claim the income against his depreciation, which is tax fraud, but I'll fade that. Mortgage interest is tax deductible. And mortgages are taken out on houses, which in the long term has always been an appreciating asset. A college education is a depreciating asset. My CS-101 class was taught in rudimentary C on a Macintosh. PERL did not exist. I would not be able to land a job today with my college education. And when I retire, my college degree basically becomes worthless, but a house will continue to appreciate forever.


Electricians, store managers, deli workers, landscapers, waitresses, mechanics, entrepreneurs? Screw ’em. Sure, college graduates make more money than non-graduates, and their unemployment rate is lower, too. But non-graduates don’t have access to the president, so they don’t matter. They’re tradesmen, the riff-raff, the great unwashed. They’re background noise, dirty-handed types, second-classers. They don’t deserve $10,000 in debt reduction. What would they even do with it? Go hunting? Give it to their church? Their role is to subsidize the superior people, and the superior people go to college.

This is the same dumbass logic that leads morons to believe that the people of West Virginia - median income 26,187 - are subsidizing the people of Santa Clara County Califiornia, median income 50,000.

Why did Joe Biden do all this? That’s why. Why was this what Joe Biden chose to break his oath to achieve? That’s why. When it came down to it, good ol’ Scranton Joe sent cash from the sort of people he cynically pretends to care about to the sort of people he actually cares about: the privileged, accredited, self-dealing clerisy that his ever-dwindling political party now calls its base.

I'm cynical. I don't know for a fact that Biden understands what I just wrote. But Mike Rowe sure as hell doesn't.

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Re: WTF is wrong with Joe Biden today?
« Reply #769 on: August 25, 2022, 10:46:28 PM »
We really should have a National goal that fewer people need to be in the military, not more.

Perhaps Trump's Space Force?
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Re: WTF is wrong with Joe Biden today?
« Reply #770 on: August 26, 2022, 07:20:58 AM »
We really should have a National goal that fewer people need to be in the military, not more.

Too bad the fucking Soviets and asshole Commie Chinese disagree. Let me know when you get back to reality from your California Dreaming.
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Re: WTF is wrong with Joe Biden today?
« Reply #771 on: August 26, 2022, 07:23:32 AM »
This all sounds fantastic in the weirdo utopia, but if you are trying to grow a country, you want young people being productive starting businesses or working for companies, and retirees who haven't hit the physical skids doing the volunteering. Yes, young people should do some volunteer work, that is what builds the understanding that it's part of the contract that when you have free time in retirement you should do volunteer work, but this is the time they need to make hay.

It's the same about the idiotic argument about college kids having a 20 hour a week fast food job during the school year for some sort of put some skin in the game work hard concept, instead of them studying for at least 10 of those hours and graduating more prepared. I was working at the Union Bookstore, they overscheduled me during finals week and I said "I quit". The manager said "you can't do this in the real world" and I said "I find it amusing that you feel that you work in the non-real world, and if I want to make it to the real world, the $50 I would get from working 20 hours during finals week will only drown my sorrows at Kams if I get a D in semiconductor physics and don't get that job at Intel paying 2x that an hour"

Guess what, they got the time to volunteer instead of looking at their phones or even posting at places like here.

Also, all those tax deductions you are harping on are available to all who own a business, home, etc , college educated or not.
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Re: WTF is wrong with Joe Biden today?
« Reply #772 on: August 26, 2022, 07:41:08 AM »
Maybe a better question is whether Cooke, Rowe, and the mythical plumber took PPP loans out that were forgiven....
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Re: WTF is wrong with Joe Biden today?
« Reply #773 on: August 26, 2022, 11:57:18 AM »
murph = Judge Smails


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Re: WTF is wrong with Joe Biden today?
« Reply #774 on: August 26, 2022, 12:57:44 PM »




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Re: WTF is wrong with Joe Biden today?
« Reply #775 on: August 26, 2022, 01:19:01 PM »
Not that I am fan of the policy, but at least there are finally some fucking Democrats around with some fucking balls to dish it out instead of just taking it up the ass as usual.
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Re: WTF is wrong with Joe Biden today?
« Reply #776 on: August 26, 2022, 01:19:08 PM »
The PPP program had loan forgiveness parameters written into the program.
Did the mentioned individuals satisfy those parameters, or nah ?

Maybe whomever has the White House twitter could address the issue, and also honor the 13 service members who lost their lives and the individuals who were injured in Kabul a year ago.

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Re: WTF is wrong with Joe Biden today?
« Reply #777 on: August 26, 2022, 01:25:50 PM »
The PPP program had loan forgiveness parameters written into the program.
Did the mentioned individuals satisfy those parameters, or nah ?

Too bad the large sums of PPP money taken out by these people were forgiven off the backs of plumbers and Womyn Studies majors.
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Re: WTF is wrong with Joe Biden today?
« Reply #778 on: August 26, 2022, 02:27:32 PM »
The PPP program had loan forgiveness parameters written into the program.
Did the mentioned individuals satisfy those parameters, or nah ?

Maybe whomever has the White House twitter could address the issue, and also honor the 13 service members who lost their lives and the individuals who were injured in Kabul a year ago.

What about the 241 U.S. military personnel that were killed in Beirut? Or the 248 soldiers that were killed in Gander, Newfoundland?

The official House Judiciary GOP Twitter account posted: "If you take out a loan, you pay it back. Period."
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Re: WTF is wrong with Joe Biden today?
« Reply #779 on: August 26, 2022, 02:40:24 PM »
The PPP program had loan forgiveness parameters written into the program.
Did the mentioned individuals satisfy those parameters, or nah ?

Maybe whomever has the White House twitter could address the issue, and also honor the 13 service members who lost their lives and the individuals who were injured in Kabul a year ago.

It’s so sad that Biden is not like the FPOTUS whose tweet storms lasted into the late night/early morning hours. 

“President Biden has called the Americans who lost their lives in the bombing ‘heroes who made the ultimate sacrifice in service of our highest American ideals and while saving the lives of others.  Their bravery and selflessness has enabled more than 117,000 people at risk to reach safety thus far.  May God protect our troops and all those standing these dangerous days.’"
https://www.npr.org/2021/08/29/1032044382/what-we-know-about-the-13-u-s-service-members-killed-in-the-kabul-attack

And let’s not forget all the U.S. service members and related personnel who died in the War in Afghanistan.   
https://www.defense.gov/casualty.pdf