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WTF is wrong with Joe Biden today?

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Re: WTF is wrong with Joe Biden today?
« Reply #585 on: June 03, 2022, 06:20:01 PM »
Quote from: murphstahoe on June 03, 2022, 05:45:36 PM
I suppose a negotiated settlement could involve "get out", but giving anything to the Russians is really rewarding terrorism

Agreed.
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Re: WTF is wrong with Joe Biden today?
« Reply #586 on: June 03, 2022, 08:15:31 PM »
Quote from: murphstahoe on June 03, 2022, 05:45:36 PM
I suppose a negotiated settlement could involve "get out", but giving anything to the Russians is really rewarding terrorism

I would agree too.

We obviously don't know what's being discussed behind the scenes.  CNN is reporting that Italy has proposed a four-point ceasefire framework that would involve Ukraine committing to neutrality with regard to NATO in exchange for some security guarantees, and negotiations between Ukraine and Russia on the future of Crimea and the Donbas region.
https://edition.cnn.com/europe/live-news/russia-ukraine-war-news-06-03-22/index.html

Here's Biden's response to the question:

Q    Mr. President, does Ukraine have to cede territory to achieve some peace?

THE PRESIDENT:  You know, you’ve been always fair with me. The — from the beginning, I’ve said and I’ve been — not everyone has agreed with me — nothing about Ukraine without Ukraine.  It’s their territory.  I’m not going to tell them what they should and shouldn’t do.

But it appears to me that, at some point along the line, there’s going to have to be a negotiated settlement here.  And what that entails, I don’t know.  I don’t think anybody knows at the time.

But in the meantime, we’re going to continue to put the — the Ukrainians in a position where they can defend themselves.

Thank you all so very much. 
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/speeches-remarks/2022/06/03/remarks-by-president-biden-on-the-may-jobs-report-2/


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Re: WTF is wrong with Joe Biden today?
« Reply #587 on: June 03, 2022, 08:51:28 PM »
"there’s going to have to be a negotiated settlement here.  And what that entails, I don’t know.  I don’t think anybody knows at the time."

That's something you should have been working on tens of billions of dollars and thousands of Ukrainian citizens and soldiers lives ago.
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Re: WTF is wrong with Joe Biden today?
« Reply #588 on: June 03, 2022, 09:05:45 PM »
Quote from: Mn on June 03, 2022, 08:51:28 PM
"there’s going to have to be a negotiated settlement here.  And what that entails, I don’t know.  I don’t think anybody knows at the time."

That's something you should have been working on tens of billions of dollars and thousands of Ukrainian citizens and soldiers lives ago.

Agreed.
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Re: WTF is wrong with Joe Biden today?
« Reply #589 on: June 03, 2022, 10:23:02 PM »
Quote from: Mn on June 03, 2022, 08:51:28 PM
"there’s going to have to be a negotiated settlement here.  And what that entails, I don’t know.  I don’t think anybody knows at the time."

That's something you should have been working on tens of billions of dollars and thousands of Ukrainian citizens and soldiers lives ago.

We ALL oppose the war. 

You don’t think that Biden, Zelenskyy and our NATO allies weren’t working behind the scenes 24/7 to reach a negotiated settlement during Russia’s military buildup around Ukraine?   Ceasefire negotiations between Kyiv and Moscow were initiated in the early weeks of the invasion.  Israel and Turkey have tried to mediate.  No compromise seems to be on the horizon.

The problem is straightforward.  Putin is an evil, murderous thug.  The only way to stop him is to make the cost too high for Russia to continue, not for Russia to forcefully assimilate all Ukrainians and menace other countries in the region.

Why do you think Finland and Sweden now want to join NATO?  They recognize Putin’s delirious territorial aspirations.  He’s a wannabe tsar. 

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Re: WTF is wrong with Joe Biden today?
« Reply #590 on: June 04, 2022, 05:56:29 AM »
Quote from: alum74 on June 03, 2022, 10:23:02 PM
We ALL oppose the war. 

You don’t think that Biden ... and our NATO allies weren’t working behind the scenes 24/7 to reach a negotiated settlement ....... ?
One year after his inauguration ....
" It's one thing if it's a minor incursion and then we end up having a fight about what to do and not do."

It would probably be rather alarming if they hadnt been negotiating.
How we doing so far ?
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Re: WTF is wrong with Joe Biden today?
« Reply #591 on: June 04, 2022, 08:07:46 AM »
Quote from: Mn on June 04, 2022, 05:56:29 AM
One year after his inauguration ....
" It's one thing if it's a minor incursion and then we end up having a fight about what to do and not do."

It would probably be rather alarming if they hadnt been negotiating.
How we doing so far ?

I guess technically better than if they took Kiev, as everyone expected they would. So, we have that going for us.
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Re: WTF is wrong with Joe Biden today?
« Reply #592 on: June 06, 2022, 01:34:07 PM »
Quote from: Mn on June 03, 2022, 08:51:28 PM
"there’s going to have to be a negotiated settlement here.  And what that entails, I don’t know.  I don’t think anybody knows at the time."

That's something you should have been working on tens of billions of dollars and thousands of Ukrainian citizens and soldiers lives ago.

And 2-3 years ago.

Maybe Biden has a better idea what the hell Putin will agree to here, but I sure don't see it.
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Re: WTF is wrong with Joe Biden today?
« Reply #593 on: June 06, 2022, 01:35:28 PM »
Quote from: Mn on June 03, 2022, 08:51:28 PM
"there’s going to have to be a negotiated settlement here.  And what that entails, I don’t know.  I don’t think anybody knows at the time."

That's something you should have been working on tens of billions of dollars and thousands of Ukrainian citizens and soldiers lives ago.

Suddenly the Trumpublicans are The Cheese Eating Surrender Monkeys
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Re: WTF is wrong with Joe Biden today?
« Reply #594 on: June 06, 2022, 02:10:36 PM »
Maybe we shouldn’t have overthrown their democratically elected leader in 2014 and maybe if Ukraine had just given Russia the parts of Ukraine that want to be part of Russia (and probably will be regardless) then none of this would have happened.
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Re: WTF is wrong with Joe Biden today?
« Reply #595 on: June 06, 2022, 02:25:05 PM »
Maybe their democratically elected leader  Віктор Янукович should not have committed treason and fled the country.
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Re: WTF is wrong with Joe Biden today?
« Reply #596 on: June 06, 2022, 03:02:17 PM »
Maybe Russia should not have initiated an vicious, unprovoked, genocidal invasion of a smaller, sovereign nation.
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Re: WTF is wrong with Joe Biden today?
« Reply #597 on: June 06, 2022, 04:34:20 PM »
Unprovoked LOL
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« Reply #598 on: June 06, 2022, 05:19:01 PM »
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Re: WTF is wrong with Joe Biden today?
« Reply #599 on: June 06, 2022, 05:57:01 PM »
Quote from: Custard on June 06, 2022, 02:10:36 PM
Maybe we shouldn’t have overthrown their democratically elected leader in 2014 and maybe if Ukraine had just given Russia the parts of Ukraine that want to be part of Russia (and probably will be regardless) then none of this would have happened.

Easy for you to say, in addition to being naive given the failed effort to take Kiev. But hey, let Putin put the USSR back together again. Things would be great then!
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