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The most important election of our lives

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Re: The most important election of our lives
« Reply #465 on: December 20, 2024, 08:01:37 AM »
Quote from: No one in Mn on December 20, 2024, 07:49:27 AM
They didn't feel the need to protect the United States from Trump, the existential threat to democracy.

They knew he wasn't going to win their area or state, but he got closer as a result.
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Re: The most important election of our lives
« Reply #466 on: December 20, 2024, 08:04:15 AM »
The turnout ended up being down 5 million? In a nation of over 300 million people? Doesn't seem like that much statistically speaking. It was 2 percentage points of registered voters.
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Re: The most important election of our lives
« Reply #467 on: December 20, 2024, 08:29:02 AM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on December 20, 2024, 08:01:37 AM
They knew he wasn't going to win their area or state, but he got closer as a result.
They stayed home because their vote to save the country from the threat to democracy wasn't needed. Even tho it's easy to vote. 👍
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Re: The most important election of our lives
« Reply #468 on: December 20, 2024, 08:55:16 AM »
Quote from: Custard on December 19, 2024, 08:20:40 PM
The “turnout” was so big because the bull shit pandemic special rules allowed for a bunch of fuckery. Almost like it was….planned!

Don’t see how making it easier to vote, like actually vote, helps democrats. Aren’t they super smart and educated? What you mean is they just made it easier to cheat. Which is why we had 10 million or whatever more votes than any other year in a campaign between two awful candidates. And then it went back to normal when there was more security.

That's definitely one way to look at it. I thought that is what Mn is saying. Now he is mocking me for pointing it out.

To clarify, I don't think making it easy to vote necessarily helps Democrats per se. I do think it helps turnout in urban areas. For whatever reasons, people in urban areas tend to vote Democrat by large margins. High turnout in urban areas is good for Democrats.

Another thing that affected the vote count in 2020, is most  (not all) states counted in person ballots first.  Democrats encouraged voters to use mail in ballots. Trump told his people to vote in person.

Trump's votes got counted, giving him a lead. Then the mail in and drop box ballots got counted, erasing the lead.



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Re: The most important election of our lives
« Reply #469 on: December 20, 2024, 09:10:12 AM »
Quote from: Custard on December 19, 2024, 11:22:25 PM
Delusional is thinking 10 million plus more people showed up to vote during a pandemic because it was “easier”

They didn't have to show up. They could mail in ballots and had extra time to be counted. There were processes to cure mail ins with mistakes. There were extra drop boxes. Liberalized ballot collection was allowed. There was early voting at convenient locations.

All the things Republicans claimed would lead to fraud. Yet they  investigated and the only cases of fraud they found were minor and by Republicans.

They used their suspicion of fraud to pass a bunch of unnecessary election security laws.

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Re: The most important election of our lives
« Reply #470 on: December 20, 2024, 09:11:33 AM »
Quote from: No one in Mn on December 20, 2024, 08:29:02 AM
They stayed home because their vote to save the country from the threat to democracy wasn't needed. Even tho it's easy to vote. 👍

So I guess tough election security laws had no effect?
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Re: The most important election of our lives
« Reply #471 on: December 20, 2024, 09:50:40 AM »
Quote from: No one in Mn on December 20, 2024, 07:25:10 AM
Eric Coomer, Dominion's director of product strategy and security, is alleged to have said "Don't worry about the election. Trump is not going to win, I made fucking sure of that. Hahaha."


CLAIM: A Dominion Voting Systems employee named Eric Coomer said on an “antifa conference call” prior to the 2020 election, “Don’t worry about the election, Trump’s not gonna win. I made f-----g sure of that!”

AP’S ASSESSMENT: False. There is no evidence of Coomer saying this, and he has denied it in a sworn declaration. Joseph Oltmann, a conservative podcaster, first made the claim six days after the 2020 election on his show, but also said at the time he couldn’t be certain it was Coomer who made the statement. He has not presented credible evidence to corroborate the claim. Coomer has since filed five defamation lawsuits related to these allegations.
https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-eric-coomer-dominion-election-2020-468638739657

Do people ever get tired of being lied to? A  big pile of BS is still BS.
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Re: The most important election of our lives
« Reply #472 on: December 20, 2024, 10:08:06 AM »
Quote from: No one in Mn on December 20, 2024, 07:25:10 AM

A "special rule" memo went out to county election precincts in Pa about changes in the "curing" process. It only went to Democrat precincts.


This too is BS. PA law allows (or allowed) each county to decide if voters can cure mail in ballots with minor errors, and what the process is.

"Then there's the "fixing" or "curing" of ballots with minor errors, such as a mail-in ballot mixing a signature. If a ballot has errors, each county in the state decides on its own whether it will let voters "fix" them, creating significant differences in voting policy throughout the state. (Most states have a statewide policy for curing ballots.)"
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/pennsylvania-voting-laws-certification-lawsuits-rcna178478

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Re: The most important election of our lives
« Reply #473 on: December 20, 2024, 10:23:38 AM »
Quote from: illiniray on December 20, 2024, 10:08:06 AM
This too is BS. PA law allows (or allowed) each county to decide if voters can cure mail in ballots with minor errors, and what the process is.

"Then there's the "fixing" or "curing" of ballots with minor errors, such as a mail-in ballot mixing a signature. If a ballot has errors, each county in the state decides on its own whether it will let voters "fix" them, creating significant differences in voting policy throughout the state. (Most states have a statewide policy for curing ballots.)"
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/pennsylvania-voting-laws-certification-lawsuits-rcna178478


"Each county in the state decides ......."
I'm guessing that decision shouldn't involve Democratic precincts receiving a memo about curing, but not the Republican precincts.

The NBC article may be more than happy to inform you that each county can make a decision.
Not informing you that the curing memo was not sent county wide is a separate issue.
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Re: The most important election of our lives
« Reply #474 on: December 20, 2024, 10:34:08 AM »
Quote from: illiniray on December 20, 2024, 09:10:12 AM
They didn't have to show up. They could mail in ballots and had extra time to be counted. There were processes to cure mail ins with mistakes. There were extra drop boxes. Liberalized ballot collection was allowed. There was early voting at convenient locations.

All the things Republicans claimed would lead to fraud. Yet they  investigated and the only cases of fraud they found were minor and by Republicans.

They used their suspicion of fraud to pass a bunch of unnecessary election security laws.


Not opening any election cases is a good way to not find evidence.
I've read that there was not 1 case opened by a US Attorney's office. A case would be in the various US Attorney data bases.

No state wants their Federal elections questioned. No state wants to redo their part of a Federal election.
Fulton Co Ga still is not cooperating with the court ordered ballot data.
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Re: The most important election of our lives
« Reply #475 on: December 20, 2024, 11:23:50 AM »
Quote from: No one in Mn on December 20, 2024, 10:34:08 AM

Fulton Co Ga still is not cooperating with the court ordered ballot data.

wtf?
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Re: The most important election of our lives
« Reply #476 on: December 20, 2024, 12:13:59 PM »
Quote from: illiniray on December 20, 2024, 11:23:50 AM
wtf?
It's my understanding that this is still an open case.
This article from June indicates that Fulton Co was hoping to destroy the ballots.
I suppose a skeptic may wonder why Fulton Co is fighting so hard in light of the Fani Willis Trump case. Or maybe even the results of the 2020. Nah, don't even go there.



https://www.georgiarecord.com/election-integrity/2024/06/26/fulton-county-moves-to-destroy-2020-election-ballots/

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Re: The most important election of our lives
« Reply #477 on: December 20, 2024, 12:15:20 PM »
Quote from: No one in Mn on December 20, 2024, 10:23:38 AM
"Each county in the state decides ......."
I'm guessing that decision shouldn't involve Democratic precincts receiving a memo about curing, but not the Republican precincts.

The NBC article may be more than happy to inform you that each county can make a decision.
Not informing you that the curing memo was not sent county wide is a separate issue.

I can't find anything about that. If it happened; the impact was infinitesimal.

Trump's people were upset because statewide guidance to counties was applied unevenly.

"The night before the election, Jonathan Marks, deputy secretary for elections and commissions at the Pennsylvania Department of State, sent an email to all county elections officials clarifying what they should do with ballots set aside due to errors when they began pre-canvassing the following morning."

'In some counties, elections officials directly contacted voters about defective ballots; other counties notified the county’s political parties, who could then in turn contact voters."


"Some counties didn’t do any curing at all."

https://www.factcheck.org/2020/11/ballot-curing-in-pennsylvania/
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Re: The most important election of our lives
« Reply #478 on: December 20, 2024, 12:23:11 PM »
Quote from: illiniray on December 20, 2024, 12:15:20 PM
I can't find anything about that. If it happened; the impact was infinitesimal.

Trump's people were upset because statewide guidance to counties was applied unevenly.

"The night before the election, Jonathan Marks, deputy secretary for elections and commissions at the Pennsylvania Department of State, sent an email to all county elections officials clarifying what they should do with ballots set aside due to errors when they began pre-canvassing the following morning."

'In some counties, elections officials directly contacted voters about defective ballots; other counties notified the county’s political parties, who could then in turn contact voters."


"Some counties didn’t do any curing at all."

https://www.factcheck.org/2020/11/ballot-curing-in-pennsylvania/
It got caught before the election.
No. Republican party election workers became aware of a memo sent to Democrat precincts only in some counties.

What the dude sent out the night before the election does not at all address the preferential curing memo. The Democrat precinct only curing memo had already been addressed.
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Re: The most important election of our lives
« Reply #479 on: December 20, 2024, 12:53:34 PM »
Quote from: No one in Mn on December 20, 2024, 12:23:11 PM
It got caught before the election.
No. Republican party election workers became aware of a memo sent to Democrat precincts only in some counties.

I can't find anything resembling this.
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