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The most important election of our lives

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Re: The most important election of our lives
« Reply #30 on: November 02, 2024, 11:54:39 PM »
55 year old JLo over 32 year old Toni Lahren 8 days a week.

Ewww
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Re: The most important election of our lives
« Reply #31 on: November 03, 2024, 11:09:41 AM »
"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.

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Re: The most important election of our lives
« Reply #32 on: November 03, 2024, 02:10:14 PM »
JLo not Teutonic enough for ya?

Politics, Diddy, and poor poor Ben.
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Re: The most important election of our lives
« Reply #33 on: November 03, 2024, 03:20:39 PM »
Because FOX News told me so…

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Re: The most important election of our lives
« Reply #34 on: November 03, 2024, 04:20:12 PM »
Yeah, let’s elect this  as president…

https://x.com/greg_price11/status/1853145243761221655?s=46&t=nLWTarDKWNHMqYhTVD-LQQ

Let’s vote for a fascist wanna be tyrant who tried to overturn an election and overthrow the American government instead.
"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.

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Re: The most important election of our lives
« Reply #35 on: November 03, 2024, 04:26:45 PM »
Let’s vote for a fascist wanna be tyrant who tried to overturn an election and overthrow the American government instead.

Hyperbole.
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Re: The most important election of our lives
« Reply #36 on: November 03, 2024, 04:38:06 PM »
Hyperbole.

You'll wind up rescinding that if he wins.
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Re: The most important election of our lives
« Reply #38 on: November 03, 2024, 06:43:49 PM »
"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.

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Re: The most important election of our lives
« Reply #39 on: November 03, 2024, 06:46:25 PM »
The dude literally tried to overturn a democratic election. The first non-peaceful transition of power in U.S. history.
"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.

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Re: The most important election of our lives
« Reply #40 on: November 03, 2024, 07:31:17 PM »
Yeah, let’s elect this 🤡 as president…

https://x.com/greg_price11/status/1853145243761221655?s=46&t=nLWTarDKWNHMqYhTVD-LQQ

I haven't filled out my ballot but I think it's gotta be no. We don't have the prison space to handle it, and I don't believe it will be a deterrent. People who think it would be a deterrent are honest people who can't figure out why someone does this - even just for the lulz and not really conceptualizing jail. People for whom jail would be a disaster wouldn't be doing things that would put them in jail anyway - they just think "I would never do that thing I'd never do anyway because jail would suck, so surely people that have completely different existences would think like me"

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Re: The most important election of our lives
« Reply #41 on: November 04, 2024, 11:00:43 AM »
https://www.thecentersquare.com/illinois/article_5e4ce212-987c-11ef-9793-27ef4cbcf8eb.html

Illinois has to actually vote on whether or not there should be penalties for fucking with election workers?

The property tax question is pretty wild - I love this quote...

"Besides those three issues, voters need to remember ‘millionaires’ are not necessarily people in mansions. They often are mom-and-pop stores: 23,740 small businesses could be hit with a 61% hike in their marginal state income tax rate,” Cosso wrote.

"Should the Illinois Constitution be amended to create an additional 3% tax on income greater than $1,000,000 for the purpose of dedicating funds raised to property tax relief?"

This is some serious bullshit. I am a millionaire, but my *annual compensation* isn't in the millions. Unless you make over a million a year, this impacts you in no way - in fact you might have your property taxes lowered. Once a Mom and Pop store is profiting over a million a year, it's not a Mom and Pop anymore, and the measure is personal income tax and if Mom and Pop are pulling in over a million in profits, you can just make it not a pass through entity and pay the corporate rate, leave the money in the company.

My cousin - definitely not a millionaire let alone making a million a year - voted against it - "Why punish success!" I said "indeed, let's punish failure".

It's not even that progressive a measure, because the money collected would be used to lower property taxes - so only people with enough money to own property would benefit.

I guess these are all non-binding referendums anyway so it's just a circle jerk.

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Re: The most important election of our lives
« Reply #42 on: November 04, 2024, 11:08:44 AM »
I am sure the Illinois government will handle and appropriate the money correctly and it definitely won’t make successful people keep fleeing the state.
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Re: The most important election of our lives
« Reply #43 on: November 04, 2024, 11:18:51 AM »
I am sure the Illinois government will handle and appropriate the money correctly and it definitely won’t make successful people keep fleeing the state.

Well, it's a non binding referendum anyway, there is no actual measure. If they take the money and drop the property tax rate in general, some people with incomes in the low range of the surcharge might even save money. Hard to say how you could even structure it. Maybe you get a deduction on your state income tax of your state property tax that phases out at higher income levels.

As for successful people fleeing the state.... if you look at the notable examples - Musk, Bezos - they left states *after* they made their fortune to move to states where it's harder to make a fortune than the state they were from. Bezos basically retired - what the hell does Washington need from him if he's retired? The company is still HQ'd in Seattle, and that isn't changing.

People trying to build success need to be in places with the infrastructure and people to build success.

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Re: The most important election of our lives
« Reply #44 on: November 04, 2024, 11:56:23 AM »
https://www.thecentersquare.com/illinois/article_5e4ce212-987c-11ef-9793-27ef4cbcf8eb.html

It's not even that progressive a measure, because the money collected would be used to lower property taxes....

Bullshit. No one fucking trusts that will happen except the idiot progressives who think Brandon Johnson is doing a good job. No one trusts Illinois politicians which is why Pritzker's plan to raise state taxes on everyone but him (since you know he has trusts and offshore stuff) failed miserably. But let's drive more people making money out of Illinois.
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