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Re: Hey guys, I was wrong about something
« Reply #210 on: October 01, 2024, 04:32:59 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on October 01, 2024, 04:25:56 PM
I don't know if I'd frame it like that, but I believe they had DNA from one of the swabs that was inconclusive and the prosecution wanted to introduce it.  That's not really "pulling a fast one" though, that's the prosecution's job.

It's not the prosecution's job to bring inconclusive DNA and frame it like it was TSJ's. I mean, they could try that, but the defense would immediately discredit it, and basically show that the prosecutor is a lying piece of shit. So yeah, that's interesting.

Glad you're not a prosecutor in real life. Fuck man.
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Re: Hey guys, I was wrong about something
« Reply #211 on: October 01, 2024, 04:33:29 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on October 01, 2024, 04:30:39 PM
You showing your ass and occasionally showing that I was correct doesn't embarrass me at all, actually.

You have yet to show any evidence supporting your claim, just claimed victory.

LOL. Now you are projecting.  Nichi smoked you. The defense attorneys shredded the cops on their investigation and the DNA of the other men you said did not matter...
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Re: Hey guys, I was wrong about something
« Reply #212 on: October 01, 2024, 04:33:54 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on October 01, 2024, 04:15:54 PM
So was she a money grubbing slut, or the victim of a sexual assault by a misidentified culprit?

Yes. Two very possible scenarios. I lean 70/30 at this point. New evidence could move the needle.
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Re: Hey guys, I was wrong about something
« Reply #213 on: October 01, 2024, 04:34:19 PM »
Quote from: Jobu on October 01, 2024, 04:32:59 PM
It's not the prosecution's job to bring inconclusive DNA and frame it like it was TSJ's. I mean, they could try that, but the defense would immediately discredit it, and basically show that the prosecutor is a lying piece of shit. So yeah, that's interesting.

Glad you're not a prosecutor in real life. Fuck man.

It is amazing. The defense shredded the cops on their investigation and the DNA.
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Re: Hey guys, I was wrong about something
« Reply #214 on: October 01, 2024, 04:36:26 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on October 01, 2024, 04:11:35 PM
Which she didn't.  Including at trial.

You're an awful scorekeeper.  Then again, I'm pretty sure even you don't believe the nonsense you're trying to sell.  Your emotions are fully in charge here.

Dude, they did not bring her back on re-direct because she was destroyed on cross and could not identify him. That and her internet search history and the dollar sign text emojis.

You really want to die on this hill. Very Tempo-like!
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Re: Hey guys, I was wrong about something
« Reply #215 on: October 01, 2024, 04:37:04 PM »
Quote from: Jobu on October 01, 2024, 04:32:59 PM
It's not the prosecution's job to bring inconclusive DNA and frame it like it was TSJ's. I mean, they could try that, but the defense would immediately discredit it, and basically show that the prosecutor is a lying piece of shit. So yeah, that's interesting.

Glad you're not a prosecutor in real life. Fuck man.

It's absolutely the prosecution's job to present evidence to lead the jury to conclude the defendant committed the crime.  If they were presenting it as a match to TSJ, then that's different, but they were not.

I don't think it's very GOOD evidence, given the lack of a conclusive match, but it's evidence that's the prosecutor's job to try to get introduced.  It's also evidence that a good defense attorney should, and did, get tossed.
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Re: Hey guys, I was wrong about something
« Reply #216 on: October 01, 2024, 04:38:10 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on October 01, 2024, 04:36:26 PM
Dude, they did not bring her back on re-direct because she was destroyed on cross and could not identify him. That and her internet search history and the dollar sign text emojis.

You really want to die on this hill. Very Tempo-like!

Neither the search history nor the emoji from an uninvolved party is relevant to whether TSJ was guilty.

I don't blame the defense for letting the jury make their own inferences from that information - again, that's their job, to introduce reasonable doubt - but neither thing is some evidence that she was a money grubber out to get money.

And anyway, wasn't it Arterio Morris?
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Re: Hey guys, I was wrong about something
« Reply #217 on: October 01, 2024, 04:39:22 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on October 01, 2024, 04:19:15 PM
I know you won't post it, so here's what he said:

"They don't quote her testimony at all in the motion. They don't really need to for a discovery motion IMO, but you can't take it as a verbatim representation.

""I believe it was this person" is suspicion with some degree of uncertainty" is not accurate. The criminal law uses "reasonably believes" as a standard for self-defense force and reads out conscious uncertainty.

More generally, the law permits reasonable inferences and circumstantial evidence, so there's not a distinction between knowledge and belief when it comes to what is proof beyond a reasonable doubt.

If you wake up and you walk outside and the ground is wet and there are puddles in the road, you can reasonably infer it rained from circumstantial evidence. You have no real knowledge that it rained and nothing based on direct evidence. You believe it rained the same way a woman at a bar can put a, b, and c together and believe the identity of who assaulted her based on circumstantial evidence."
https://illinihq2.com/index.php/topic,1122.msg125563.html#msg125563

and

"It's not. She obviously had some reason to believe it was him, went home, and identified him that night. Eyewitness testimony isn't foolproof, but it's admissible evidence and could support a conviction."
https://illinihq2.com/index.php/topic,1122.msg125564.html#msg125564

He really was wrong on this when trial proceeded, wasn't he? She got destroyed on cross so badly they did not bring her back for re-direct AND Shannon testified in his defense.
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Re: Hey guys, I was wrong about something
« Reply #218 on: October 01, 2024, 04:39:26 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on October 01, 2024, 04:33:29 PM
LOL. Now you are projecting.  Nichi smoked you. The defense attorneys shredded the cops on their investigation and the DNA of the other men you said did not matter...

Again, you either totally misunderstood all my posts over a period of months, or you're desperately trying to misrepresent them now as something that they aren't.  I'm pretty confident it's the second thing, because even though you can't really find any evidence of it, you just WANT me to have been wrong about this so, so badly.

You know you're doing it, obviously.  You posted multiple things I was just objectively correct about.
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Re: Hey guys, I was wrong about something
« Reply #219 on: October 01, 2024, 04:40:27 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on October 01, 2024, 04:20:07 PM
LOL.

This is some extremely desperate flailing.

You obviously didn't find any evidence of your claim, so you post a bunch of random shit and say "see its evidence!"

The Purdue case was decided in 2019. The judge followed it. The law did not change. I typed slowly so you could hopefully understand. Does not look like it worked.
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Re: Hey guys, I was wrong about something
« Reply #220 on: October 01, 2024, 04:41:25 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on October 01, 2024, 04:37:04 PM
It's absolutely the prosecution's job to present evidence to lead the jury to conclude the defendant committed the crime.  If they were presenting it as a match to TSJ, then that's different, but they were not.

I don't think it's very GOOD evidence, given the lack of a conclusive match, but it's evidence that's the prosecutor's job to try to get introduced.  It's also evidence that a good defense attorney should, and did, get tossed.

So why bring the evidence if they weren't presenting it as a match? They had TSJ's fucking DNA. They could match the "inconclusive" DNA to him. There was no reason to bring that evidence if they weren't trying to say it was his. If they weren't saying it was his, then it makes her look like even more of a slut.

If TSJ's DNA were in there, it wouldn't have been inconclusive. They would have found it. That's how DNA works.
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Re: Hey guys, I was wrong about something
« Reply #221 on: October 01, 2024, 04:42:14 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on October 01, 2024, 04:21:59 PM
Keep posting shit that proves me right if you'd like.  I'm not going to respond to every one, because it's clear you came up empty on the evidence you were looking for.

You're supposedly a lawyer, so you obviously know I was right in this one.  You just cannot admit that I was right, because it undercuts you completely.

You were wrong the whole time. Nichi was right. He's smarter than you are. But you do have over him thinking you are genius who is never wrong. 
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Re: Hey guys, I was wrong about something
« Reply #222 on: October 01, 2024, 04:43:36 PM »
Quote from: Jobu on October 01, 2024, 04:41:25 PM
So why bring the evidence if they weren't presenting it as a match? They had TSJ's fucking DNA. They could match the "inconclusive" DNA to him. There was no reason to bring that evidence if they weren't trying to say it was his. If they weren't saying it was his, then it makes her look like even more of a slut.

If TSJ's DNA were in there, it wouldn't have been inconclusive. They would have found it. That's how DNA works.

Uh, what?

There wasn't enough DNA for a conclusive match to anyone - it stated as much clearly in the lab report, even explicitly saying they didn't test it further because there wasn't enough to match it to anyone.  But the partial DNA still belonged to someone, it didn't just appear out of nowhere - THAT'S how DNA works.  It's not like they found enough DNA to get a full match on SOMEONE, and it just wasn't TSJ - that's what they found on the OTHER swabs.

The prosecution wanted to introduce it and try to tie it to TSJ in court - the idea being, just because the other swabs precluded him, this one didn't.  Again, that's their job.

And it's the defense's job to say no, there's no connection to TSJ, and it should get tossed.
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Re: Hey guys, I was wrong about something
« Reply #223 on: October 01, 2024, 04:44:25 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on October 01, 2024, 04:32:45 PM
This has zero to do with how many men's DNA was found in her swabs.  You're trying to move the goalposts to pretend to be right (which is basically the entirety of this meltdown).

"Yes, the DNA indicates she had contact with up to 5 other men (at least 2). If you think that means he's exonerated or has any relevance whatsoever to the allegation then yes, you're wrong and stupid.  It doesn't."

^^ this was true, and is still true.  No one else's DNA could exonerate TSJ, nor was it relevant to whether he was guilty of the crime he was accused of.  Which, I assume, you know.

The lack of his DNA was relevant, as I said in that thread (even saying if the vaginal swab also didn't have a conclusive match to TSJ it wouldn't even go to trial, which I was wrong about) - you just are trying to paint a false portrayal of what I said at the time.

LOL. You got smoked by Nichi. Nichi may have been advising the defense counsel on this issue....
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Re: Hey guys, I was wrong about something
« Reply #224 on: October 01, 2024, 04:45:14 PM »
Quote from: Jobu on October 01, 2024, 04:32:59 PM
Glad you're not a prosecutor in real life. Fuck man.

No shit. Shit, I hope he isn't a garbage man. That garbage would be all over the alleys.
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