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Re: Hey guys, I was wrong about something
« Reply #195 on: October 01, 2024, 04:20:07 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on October 01, 2024, 04:19:10 PM
The law did not change, nor the interpretation given the Purdue case from 2019

Score: ThePATheyHerSheXe 1 Spark 0

LOL.

This is some extremely desperate flailing.

You obviously didn't find any evidence of your claim, so you post a bunch of random shit and say "see its evidence!"
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Re: Hey guys, I was wrong about something
« Reply #196 on: October 01, 2024, 04:20:57 PM »
Nichi with a knockout

Quote from: spark mandrill on May 17, 2024, 12:36:45 PM
She has never said she doesn’t know if it’s him.  You’re just really, really, really bad at understanding what you read.


Quote from: illiniray on May 17, 2024, 01:30:25 PM
5. M.N. testified that she was assaulted from behind as she stared straight ahead. She testified that the hand she believed touched her came from the man standing to her left. She testified as to her belief that the man next to her was Mr. Shannon.
6. DNA analysis conducted by the State and reviewed by a defense expert does not reveal evidence that Mr. Shannon ever had physical contact with M.N., though male DNA is present in some samples taken from her person.
7. M.N. decided that the man standing next to her was Terrence Shannon because she went home that evening and searched the internet for photos of athletes from the University of Kansas and University of Illinois and found that Mr. Shannon’s roster photo looked like a man she saw in the bar and who she believed—though she did not see--was attached to the hand that touched her.
8. Other than M.N.’s statement that she believed Mr. Shannon was the person who touched her, there is no evidence supporting this contention. 

source: TERRENCE SHANNON’S MOTION TO COMPEL DISCOVERY
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Re: Hey guys, I was wrong about something
« Reply #197 on: October 01, 2024, 04:21:59 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on October 01, 2024, 04:20:57 PM
Nichi with a knockout

Keep posting shit that proves me right if you'd like.  I'm not going to respond to every one, because it's clear you came up empty on the evidence you were looking for.

You're supposedly a lawyer, so you obviously know I was right in this one.  You just cannot admit that I was right, because it undercuts you completely.
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Re: Hey guys, I was wrong about something
« Reply #198 on: October 01, 2024, 04:22:55 PM »
I even called Spark out for being a moron at the time.

Quote from: spark mandrill on May 17, 2024, 12:36:45 PM
She has never said she doesn’t know if it’s him.  You’re just really, really, really bad at understanding what you read.

Quote from: ThePAMan on May 17, 2024, 01:31:58 PM
The kid in Alabama was not suspended because they claimed they did not have enough information to deem it suspension worthy. He was not even criminally charged.

Plus, this is what you got out of this? That is an extremely poor, I'll say it, lazy reading of the decision and the law.  The judge relied on a 7th Circuit case involving a guy out of Purdue who sued after he felt he got railroaded in the process. So it is not like suspensions have never been overturned before.

They had a policy. Due Process required them to follow it. They did not follow it. Blame your guy Guenther Jr. for fucking it up (which is understandable given the logistical issues here), not the judge.
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Re: Hey guys, I was wrong about something
« Reply #199 on: October 01, 2024, 04:23:43 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on October 01, 2024, 02:54:40 PM
Was the whole thing made up? Or was she a sexual assault victim who misidentified the perpetrator?

It. Doesn't. Fucking. Matter.

Either / both create reasonable doubt.

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nichi made both claims, so surely he wasn’t right about EVERYTHING.
Nope. Never claimed either one happened. They are alternative theories for which there is evidence, but were just never investigated.

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I legitimately don’t even know what you’re talking about regarding DNA.  If he said the lack of a match on an anal DNA swab exonerated Shannon then he was wrong about that too,  but I don’t remember if he did or didn’t.

I am having brain fog and badly need to do some sitting meditation.

I would have to review details. My immediately recollection is the prosecution tried to pull a fast one. I am thinking there was male DNA that could not be identified. They were going to try to confuse the jury by saying that is what would be expected if Shannon did what he was accused of doing -- implying to the jurors that the unidentified male DNA was Shannon's. TJ's attorneys put a stop to  that. I may be misremembering. Might be?

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Re: Hey guys, I was wrong about something
« Reply #200 on: October 01, 2024, 04:23:54 PM »
I'm guessing she fucked at least 3 dudes that night. I'm giving her the benefit of the doubt. Could be more.
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Re: Hey guys, I was wrong about something
« Reply #201 on: October 01, 2024, 04:24:21 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on May 17, 2024, 12:36:45 PM
You’re just really, really, really bad at understanding what you read.
Quote from: ThePAMan on May 17, 2024, 01:35:47 PM
Said without a hint of irony....you may want to re-read the judge's opinion. The law has not changed and schools can still suspend students (as long as they follow the processes and procedures they have put in place).

LOL.
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Re: Hey guys, I was wrong about something
« Reply #202 on: October 01, 2024, 04:24:30 PM »
Quote from: illiniray on October 01, 2024, 04:23:43 PM
It. Doesn't. Fucking. Matter.

Either / both create reasonable doubt.
Nope. Never claimed either one happened. They are alternative theories for which there is evidence, but were just never investigated.

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I legitimately don’t even know what you’re talking about regarding DNA.  If he said the lack of a match on an anal DNA swab exonerated Shannon then he was wrong about that too,  but I don’t remember if he did or didn’t.


I am having brain fog and badly need to do some sitting meditation.

I would have to review details. My immediately recollection is the prosecution tried to pull a fast one. I am thinking there was male DNA that could not be identified. They were going to try to confuse the jury by saying that is what would be expected if Shannon did what he was accused of doing -- implying to the jurors that the unidentified male DNA was Shannon's. TJ's attorneys put a stop to  that. I may be misremembering. Might be?

Of course it matters, when half the Illini fanbase starts doxxing her and slut-shaming her and calling her a money grubbing whore because of one of those theories, when the other one (which they also claim!) undercuts it.  You'd think that'd cause someone to self-reflect a little bit, but the people who behave like that would never.

Which was, of course, the exact disgusting behavior that I was calling out that earned me such ire from the people perpetrating it.

We're in agreement regarding reasonable doubt.  I never saw any evidence that'd lead me to convict, and stated as much explicitly multiple times (not that that matters to the people trying to lie about me now).  There was more than a bit of reasonable doubt, and as I said the day it happened, the jury reached the correct verdict IMO.
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Re: Hey guys, I was wrong about something
« Reply #203 on: October 01, 2024, 04:25:20 PM »
Everyone is an idiot but Spark....I guess his lawyer friends had not read the Purdue case.

Quote from: spark mandrill on May 17, 2024, 01:38:18 PM
It required a strange reading of the law from a judge that pretty much every lawyer I know was kind of in awe of, citing Shannon's NBA draft prospects and his loss of income.  It doesn't matter that I think that's nuts, that's what the judge said and that's what needed to be abided by - but the idea that you cannot suspend a kid from an extracurricular activity before giving him some sham 'trial' in front of some University panel who has none of the evidence whatsoever to make a determination of his guilt, is a new one.  Certainly no Illini fans have applied that logic to any previous athlete who was charged with a crime to my knowledge.
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Re: Hey guys, I was wrong about something
« Reply #204 on: October 01, 2024, 04:25:56 PM »
Quote from: illiniray on October 01, 2024, 04:23:43 PM
I would have to review details. My immediately recollection is the prosecution tried to pull a fast one. I am thinking there was male DNA that could not be identified. They were going to try to confuse the jury by saying that is what would be expected if Shannon did what he was accused of doing -- implying to the jurors that the unidentified male DNA was Shannon's. TJ's attorneys put a stop to  that. I may be misremembering. Might be?

I don't know if I'd frame it like that, but I believe they had DNA from one of the swabs that was inconclusive and the prosecution wanted to introduce it.  That's not really "pulling a fast one" though, that's the prosecution's job.
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Re: Hey guys, I was wrong about something
« Reply #205 on: October 01, 2024, 04:27:25 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on May 17, 2024, 01:58:52 PM
Tell me where the law has changed, Spark. It has not, in this instance. Illinois set up this process, they did not follow it. It is an administrative University proceeding; not a court proceeding. Title IX did not apply because this was an off-campus incident involving a non-student. How much Illinois incorporated Title IX processes in its policy was up to Illinois. I would think some of the same processes would apply for Due Process reasons. But, we did see people complain that Obama's changes to Title IX (which were revoked by Trump) allowed these proceedings to become "Star Chamber"-like.

There were extreme logistical issues here. She was not a student and she was out-of-state. Was she willing to cooperate with Illinois in its investigation? Was she even asked? 

You are just talking out of your ass at this point.

Read her opinion again. She walks through it all.
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Re: Hey guys, I was wrong about something
« Reply #206 on: October 01, 2024, 04:29:44 PM »
Spark quotes federal regs...

Quote from: ThePAMan on May 17, 2024, 02:30:14 PM
It was just April, 2024 the feds issued new Title IX regs. They did not apply to Shannon's case.

This is just getting embarrassing for Spark at this point and I am only at May, 2024.
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Re: Hey guys, I was wrong about something
« Reply #207 on: October 01, 2024, 04:30:39 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on October 01, 2024, 04:29:44 PM
Spark quotes federal regs...

This is just getting embarrassing for Spark at this point and I am only at May, 2024.

You showing your ass and occasionally showing that I was correct doesn't embarrass me at all, actually.

You have yet to show any evidence supporting your claim, just claimed victory.
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Re: Hey guys, I was wrong about something
« Reply #208 on: October 01, 2024, 04:31:34 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on October 01, 2024, 03:57:08 PM
Does the fact that what I said was objectively true not factor into the scoring?

If she'd been with 10000 men in the last 2 weeks, it wouldn't have meant anything to the TSJ case.

You mean when the defense pointed out that his DNA was not found and cross examined the cops to fucking shreds about how they did not look into the other men? LOL.

Give it up, Spark. Admit you were wrong.
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Re: Hey guys, I was wrong about something
« Reply #209 on: October 01, 2024, 04:32:45 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on October 01, 2024, 04:31:34 PM
You mean when the defense pointed out that his DNA was not found and cross examined the cops to fucking shreds about how they did not look into the other men? LOL.

Give it up, Spark. Admit you were wrong.

This has zero to do with how many men's DNA was found in her swabs.  You're trying to move the goalposts to pretend to be right (which is basically the entirety of this meltdown).

"Yes, the DNA indicates she had contact with up to 5 other men (at least 2). If you think that means he's exonerated or has any relevance whatsoever to the allegation then yes, you're wrong and stupid.  It doesn't."

^^ this was true, and is still true.  No one else's DNA could exonerate TSJ, nor was it relevant to whether he was guilty of the crime he was accused of.  Which, I assume, you know.

The lack of his DNA was relevant, as I said in that thread (even saying if the vaginal swab also didn't have a conclusive match to TSJ it wouldn't even go to trial, which I was wrong about) - you just are trying to paint a false portrayal of what I said at the time.
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