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Re: Hey guys, I was wrong about something
« Reply #60 on: October 01, 2024, 02:32:35 PM »
Quote from: Judge Judy on October 01, 2024, 02:29:36 PM
How dare you call me JJ! You don’t know me like that! Calling people things they don’t wanna be called! That’s not my name! How sensitive of you!

I've been told fuck your feelings, I'll call you what I want - isn't that the worldview you subscribe to?
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Re: Hey guys, I was wrong about something
« Reply #61 on: October 01, 2024, 02:33:31 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on October 01, 2024, 02:32:35 PM
I've been told fuck your feelings, I'll call you what I want - isn't that the worldview you subscribe to?

So you AREN’T any better than anyone else?! Maybe you should start a thread called that!
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Re: Hey guys, I was wrong about something
« Reply #62 on: October 01, 2024, 02:34:35 PM »
Quote from: Judge Judy on October 01, 2024, 02:33:31 PM
So you AREN’T any better than anyone else?! Maybe you should start a thread called that!

Just trying to not be so self-righteous by treating people decently and how they want to be treated, like you've been saying for years.

Now you want to change your mind and come after me for taking your advice?

Ignoring, of course, the stupidity of your argument here.

Should I use the names/pronouns you want me to use for you, or should I say 'fuck that' and call you what I want?  I'll let you choose, but you have to exhibit the same behavior.
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Re: Hey guys, I was wrong about something
« Reply #63 on: October 01, 2024, 02:36:23 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on October 01, 2024, 02:34:35 PM
Just trying to not be so self-righteous by treating people decently and how they want to be treated, like you've been saying for years.

Now you want to change your mind and come after me for taking your advice?

Ignoring, of course, the stupidity of your argument here.

Should I use the names/pronouns you want me to use for you, or should I say 'fuck that' and call you what I want?  I'll let you choose, but you have to exhibit the same behavior.

Typical gaslighting…
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Re: Hey guys, I was wrong about something
« Reply #64 on: October 01, 2024, 02:37:05 PM »
Quote from: Judge Judy on October 01, 2024, 02:36:23 PM
Typical gaslighting…

Go ahead and pick!  I'm happy to abide by whichever you choose, as long as you do too.

Should I call people by the names and pronouns they want to be called by?  Or should I say fuck them and call them whatever I want?
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Re: Hey guys, I was wrong about something
« Reply #65 on: October 01, 2024, 02:38:31 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on October 01, 2024, 02:37:05 PM
Go ahead and pick!  I'm happy to abide by whichever you choose, as long as you do too.

Should I call people by the names and pronouns they want to be called by?  Or should I say fuck them and call them whatever I want?

I wanna be called Spark’s daddy. What would you like to be called?
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Re: Hey guys, I was wrong about something
« Reply #66 on: October 01, 2024, 02:40:09 PM »
Sure!

Just spark mandrill or spark is fine with me.  And make sure you also call others the names and pronouns they want to be called, if you’re going to be particular about yours.



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Re: Hey guys, I was wrong about something
« Reply #67 on: October 01, 2024, 02:40:21 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on October 01, 2024, 02:27:06 PM

You, in particular, vacillated wildly from "she made it all up" to "it was someone else and she misidentified him" and back again.

Those were both valid "reasonable doubts."I didn't think you lacked the intelligence to grasp that.

I believed he was innocent based on what I know about his character. The accusations didn't fit. Proving if beyond a reasonable doubt was another thing.

The job of his defense was to create one or more  reasonable doubts.  "She made it up" and "she misidentified him" were both reasonable theories supported by evidence -- along with an inadequate investigation, the attempt by the prosecution to misrepresent the DNA evidence, etc.

The charges should never have been brought..

I never vacillated on anything.
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Re: Hey guys, I was wrong about something
« Reply #68 on: October 01, 2024, 02:40:41 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on October 01, 2024, 02:22:33 PM
You're lying about a number of my positions here, which I suppose you have to to keep up the act.

I said the university should have the right to choose who represents them, and if they don't want someone with a pending felony rape charge on the court that should be their prerogative - yes.  That was a unanimous opinion until it happened to OUR best player, which is surely just a coincidence and not that complete moral void I've been talking about.

I didn't say the judge was an idiot, but I've acknowledged a number of times I was shocked that she granted the TRO.  From what I saw, most people with even a layman's knowledge of the law were surprised by it.  I also said over and over it doesn't matter what I think, the judge's ruling is what mattered - once the ruling came down, I was fine with him playing (and in fact, it was the only possible choice).

I have no idea where you even got the third claim about me saying DNA evidence would play no role in exonerating him.  I took umbrage with the ridiculous slutshaming that stemmed from the pointed release of the DNA report, but said over and over in that thread that if the vaginal swab wasn't a match then it shouldn't even go to trial - it did, but they reached the correct verdict.

I said that no lawyer is going to present their client's evidence at some University OSCR panel, and no lawyer did.  They interviewed Shannon, and then they dropped the case as soon as the season was over because - who'da thunk it - they had none of the evidence they'd need to determine his guilt or innocence, nothing from the accuser, nothing from the police.  I said I thought it was a crazy precedent that he had to be determined to be guilty by a University panel before they could suspend him, because that panel would necessarily not have the evidence they'd need to make that determination - and then when they dropped the case for that exact, explicit reason you started ranting about how wrong I was for being exactly right.

Just lie after lie after lie.  But when your base-level point is a lie, you have to lie about the evidence too to pretend to win.

Bullshit. You are fucking lying. For example, you said no one was going to participate in the Title IX investigation while criminal charges were pending. We all know Shannon allowed himself to be interviewed.

You are lying about the DNA of other people being found not playing a role in the case...

The judge is an idiot, blah blah blah.

You are a fraud. Go crawl back into your hole. 
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Re: Hey guys, I was wrong about something
« Reply #69 on: October 01, 2024, 02:41:40 PM »
Quote from: illiniray on October 01, 2024, 02:40:21 PM
Those were both valid "reasonable doubts."I didn't think you lacked the intelligence to grasp that.

I believed he was innocent based on what I know about his character. The accusations didn't fit. Proving if beyond a reasonable doubt was another thing.

The job of his defense was to create one or more  reasonable doubts.  "She made it up" and "she misidentified him" were both reasonable theories supported by evidence -- along with an inadequate investigation, the attempt by the prosecution to misrepresent the DNA evidence, etc.

The charges should never have been brought..

I never vacillated on anything.

And now Shannon is suing people over the case....
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Re: Hey guys, I was wrong about something
« Reply #70 on: October 01, 2024, 02:41:59 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on October 01, 2024, 01:11:12 PM
As always, the worst thing a person can do on this board: be a decent human being.

You’ve cultivated that atmosphere perfectly here, to where the most mockery is reserved for those with a conscience.

Surprised he hasn’t changed the name to XQ!
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Re: Hey guys, I was wrong about something
« Reply #71 on: October 01, 2024, 02:43:32 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on October 01, 2024, 01:30:24 PM
Yep, I was.  I wanted to let the process play out, let the evidence come out, not just declare his guilt or innocence one way or the other because I like the college basketball team he was on.

What's funny is how many times I said something in that thread, got hammered for it, and then watched calvin come in and say the same thing to crickets.  It's almost like you were reacting to the source, not the content!

That you are not intelligent enough to even understand what I was saying during the Shannon situation isn't really my problem.  If you want to go after the people who reacted without conscience to that situation, look at the people who immediately doxxed his accuser the day he was acquitted.  Look at the people (mostly from other schools) who were screaming to throw him in jail as soon as he was accused.  Look at the people who called her a slut because of the college basketball team he played on.

Nope, you picked out the guy who said let the process play out, let the evidence they have or don't have come out before you claim firmly that he was guilty or innocent.  Kind of proving my point for me here bud.

I think Spark has zeroed in on something here!
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Re: Hey guys, I was wrong about something
« Reply #72 on: October 01, 2024, 02:43:58 PM »
Quote from: illiniray on October 01, 2024, 02:40:21 PM
Those were both valid "reasonable doubts."
 I din't think you lacked the intelligence to grasp that.

I believed he was innocent based on what I know about his character. The accusations didn't fit. Proving if beyond a reasonable doubt was another thing.

The job of his defense was to create one or more  reasonable doubts.  "She made it up" and "she misidentified him" were both reasonable theories supported by evidence -- along with an inadequate investigation, the attempt by the prosecution to misrepresent the DNA evidence, etc.

The charges should never have been brought..

I never vacillated on anything.

No one had to prove he was innocent beyond a reasonable doubt.  That’s not how the courts work.

I don’t think it was reasonably in doubt that you guys were being pitchfork carrying dipshits, that you were beholden to Illini homers masquerading as legal analysts, etc. so no issue with that from me.

I suppose there’s “reasonable doubt” whether PAMan wasn’t smart enough to understand what I was saying, or if he was and continues to just lie about what I was saying.  Fair enough.

Yes, you absolutely did vacillate multiple times throughout the case.  You were sure it was made up.  Then you were sure it was Arterio Morris.  Whatever the Illini homers masquerading as legal analysts told you to believe that day.  Pretend away if it makes you feel better.



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Re: Hey guys, I was wrong about something
« Reply #73 on: October 01, 2024, 02:44:05 PM »
Quote from: Decided Schematic Disadvantage on October 01, 2024, 02:41:59 PM
Surprised he hasn’t changed the name to XQ!

I would have gone with XQ2, but a good one nonetheless, Tempo.
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Re: Hey guys, I was wrong about something
« Reply #74 on: October 01, 2024, 02:44:50 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on October 01, 2024, 02:41:40 PM
And now Shannon is suing people over the case....

I doubt he wins, but hope he does - and fully support his lawsuit.  It’s going to be a hard thing to prove even to a preponderance of the evidence, barring evidence we haven’t seen yet, though.  Sound familiar?
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