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Eberfloser and Waldron/Poles
« on: September 25, 2024, 05:14:36 PM »
Alright, I’m humoring ThePAMan with the Eberfloser thread title, but:

I personally have shown this coaching staff a lot of patience. I felt it was unfair to judge a new head coach with a roster that was practically bad by design. I think Eberflus is good at some things. He can definitely coach defense. I think his culture seems pretty good. His players seem to like him, which matters IMO. But is he demanding enough? We heard about hard practices year 1, but seems like maybe it’s gotten a little too country club. I’m not there, so I don’t know for sure, but to allow Nate Davis to barely practice yet play seems to indicate a potential problem.

The in-game coaching (horrific challenges, the 2 point timeout was atrocious). The game planning…Is Flus giving Waldron adequate direction? Sure, Waldron should be primarily responsible, but if things aren’t working Flus needs to step in and give some direction. Not sure we’ve seen that.

I want to blame a lot of the line/offensive struggles on Waldron (and do), but at the same time, I’ve watched a lot the All22s and too often guys are getting overpowered or miss on their blocks altogether.

If Flus doesn’t get this turned around right quick I don’t see how he survives this, nor should he. If they reel off 4 out of 5 fine, but this coaching staff is taking on water, and I wouldn’t bet on them to bail themselves out.

In the end, that might be ideal.

I think Poles has done a great job. Has he been perfect? No. But expecting a GM to completely rebuild a team in two years isn’t very realistic. He’s made some mistakes to be sure (Claypool, Nate Davis, Velus, and Tyler Scott). He’s apparently misjudged the quality of his OLine, but I think he’s the best GM we’ve had since Finks, hands down. I have a lot of confidence that Poles (unlike Pace) will fix his mistakes.

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Re: Eberfloser and Waldron/Poles
« Reply #1 on: September 25, 2024, 05:16:34 PM »
All GMs make mistakes. How do you do at fixing them? That’s the key to being a good GM.
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« Reply #2 on: September 25, 2024, 05:20:22 PM »
Hard to argue with any of that. I am please with the defense. But the offense has underperformed. Hopefully they can turn it around, but I really don't like this offensive line. That's where, in my opinion, a lot of the problems lie. Good players make coaches look good.
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« Reply #3 on: September 25, 2024, 05:23:52 PM »
The coaching needs to be better. For sure.
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Re: Eberfloser and Waldron/Poles
« Reply #4 on: September 25, 2024, 05:44:30 PM »
His culture seems pretty good to you, but then you mention the country club preseason camps... Hmmmm.
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« Reply #5 on: September 25, 2024, 05:50:21 PM »
Shit, thought i put this in the football forum. Lol. A little help, Custard?
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« Reply #6 on: September 25, 2024, 05:51:12 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on September 25, 2024, 05:44:30 PM
His culture seems pretty good to you, but then you mention the country club preseason camps... Hmmmm.

Meaning I think the comraderie between coaches and players is good. Culture is more than just hard practices.
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« Reply #7 on: September 25, 2024, 05:53:43 PM »
I also acknowledged that I’m not there, so i can’t knowledgeably comment on practice habits. I can only surmise from afar. We heard alot about hard practices early in the regime, not so much the last two years.
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« Reply #8 on: September 25, 2024, 05:54:28 PM »
I wonder if the strength coach is doing his job well, because the Oline is getting overpowered too often.
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« Reply #9 on: September 25, 2024, 07:26:20 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on September 25, 2024, 05:44:30 PM
His culture seems pretty good to you, but then you mention the country club preseason camps... Hmmmm.

Tempo might be right. We don’t know what goes on in camp. Maybe the S&C coaches are doing bad getting them ready. Surely possible.
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« Reply #10 on: September 25, 2024, 07:27:14 PM »
Quote from: Shame Waldron on September 25, 2024, 05:54:28 PM
I wonder if the strength coach is doing his job well, because the Oline is getting overpowered too often.

Maybe. These guys aren’t looking strong, for sure. Guys need people to drive them.
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« Reply #11 on: September 27, 2024, 09:42:35 AM »
Nitpicking Ryan Poles:

As everyone here knows, I’ve generally applauded the job he has done. There having been a few glaring errors (again every GM has them). Let’s look at his biggest ones (IMO).

1) Chase Claypool trade. Hated it, but understood why he did it. But why would we trade for a known knucklehead? Granted, no one knew it would be the 1st pick of the 2nd round. Could have probably grabbed a nice Center with that pick.

2) Velus Jones. Hated the pick from the get-go. I only have one rule, and that rule is if you’re in college for 6 years and only have one good year, you’re likely not good at football. Duped by the size/athleticism.

3) Nate Davis. Easily the biggest FA bust. Apparently people in Tenn already knew he wasn’t much of a practice guy. Between Davis and Claypool it makes me wonder how well we’re doing our homework on players.

4) Tyler Scott. Wasn’t he a breakout star in camp? He’s literally invisible right now. I’m not sure he’s been on the field (and he’s been leapfrogged by Deandre Carter). How good would Puka Nucua or a usable guard look with that pick?

5) Doug Kramer. It’s not like we invested much draft capital in him, we didn’t. But how bad is he if he’s been here for 3 years now and can’t sniff the field with our Center situation? Why is he here a 3rd year if there’s not faith he can play? This one baffles me.

6) This should probably be higher, but it is what it is: Eberflus. The guy does just enough to justify keeping him (although you probably shouldn’t). Can really coach a defense. Check. Team morale and unity seems good. Check. After that…I allowed him some grace period because he was a first time HC working with one hand tied behind his back (literally oversaw the gutting of a roster). But 2 point timeouts and multiple bad challenges per game shouldn’t be happening. Also not sure he makes TEAM adjustments quickly enough. Really bothered me when I saw him allow Waldron to continue running Swift from the shotgun and letting Caleb air it out in a game plan that screamed for a downhill run game. I viewed last week as a major barometer in Flus’ development and was thoroughly disappointed with what I saw.

Again, overall I’m a fan of Poles despite the fact he jettisoned my guy (which I’ve conceded was probably the right move long-term). Although I think Justin and a handful of picks might have worked out nicely, too.
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Re: Eberfloser and Waldron/Poles
« Reply #12 on: September 27, 2024, 10:13:27 AM »
LOL on Eberlose. He fucking sucks ass Tempo. He's done zilch to justify being a HC or keeping his job. Your guy Fields even agrees that he blows. That's bad analysis on your part.

Good points on Kramer, though.
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« Reply #13 on: September 27, 2024, 10:16:10 AM »
Eberflus has strengths and weaknesses. And IMO deserved some time on the job to prove his competence (or lack thereof). If they had fired him last year, I’d have had zero problem with it. Unless they hired an Eberflus clone. If Flus misses the playoffs this year, he needs to be jettisoned because this should be a good year to add a competent offensive head coach to pair up with Caleb.
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Re: Eberfloser and Waldron/Poles
« Reply #14 on: September 27, 2024, 10:18:02 AM »
Quote from: Decided Schematic Disadvantage on September 27, 2024, 10:16:10 AM
Eberflus has strengths and weaknesses. And IMO deserved some time on the job to prove his competence (or lack thereof). If they had fired him last year, I’d have had zero problem with it. Unless they hired an Eberflus clone. If Flus misses the playoffs this year, he needs to be jettisoned because this should be a good year to add a competent offensive head coach to pair up with Caleb.

Another wasted year ..Another year of learning for Williams. Should have never hired him in the first place
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