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Custard

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« on: November 19, 2020, 09:17:33 PM »
Surprised there hasn’t been much discussion on this.

Some things on my mind:

—Who should get the vaccine?

—How long will protection last? We already know reinfections are possible which correlates with coronaviruses we’ve studied for decades.

—It was rushed into production and uses a new mode of action. Is it a good idea to inject a large percentage of our population with a rushed vaccine when the overwhelming majority of people who contract the virus will have minimal issues?

—Isn’t it more than a little frightening to think our entire health care industry will all get the rushed vaccine first? The FDA doesn’t exactly have a sparkling record on the long term safety of the drugs they actually put through a full evaluation, so what could possibly go wrong in pumping a rushed vaccination into the bloodstreams of our most critical workers?

—We don’t even know whether or not those that have had Covid or have been vaccinated for it can contract and harbor enough virus to still be transmissible.

—Just seems unprecedented and potentially reckless if administered wide scale. Seems like it should go to those most at risk right away and then scale into health care and other essential workers and continue monitoring responses.

From everything I’ve been reading for months, as long as we protect Grandma we’re good to go right? That’s been the primary shaming mechanism for anyone upset at young minimal risk people attempting to be human beings.
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Re: Da Vaccine
« Reply #1 on: November 19, 2020, 09:36:00 PM »
Front line personnel. Old people. People who work in service industries who are front facing. Everyone else.

First issue solved.
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Re: Da Vaccine
« Reply #2 on: November 19, 2020, 09:37:00 PM »
Measles and other vaccines seem to have worked very well. Stop listening to Jenny McCarthy and just look at her boobs.

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« Reply #3 on: November 19, 2020, 09:38:59 PM »
Nonetheless, I think I'll wait to see how it goes for IlliniGolf and JudgeJudy before I get it. If they get it and their posts start making sense, I'll pass and just wear a mask the rest of my life.
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Re: Da Vaccine
« Reply #4 on: November 19, 2020, 09:40:47 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on November 19, 2020, 09:36:00 PM
Front line personnel. Old people. People who work in service industries who are front facing. Everyone else.

First issue solved.

Seems reasonable. But phrased another way, should we pump two doses of a hurried, new mode-of-action vaccine into our entire healthcare workforce for a 94% chance at ~three months of protection?
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Re: Da Vaccine
« Reply #5 on: November 19, 2020, 09:45:12 PM »
Quote from: Custard on November 19, 2020, 09:40:47 PM
Seems reasonable. But phrased another way, should we pump two doses of a hurried, new mode-of-action vaccine into our entire healthcare workforce for a 94% chance at ~three months of protection?

Yes. See Jenny McCarthy post....
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« Reply #6 on: November 19, 2020, 09:49:25 PM »
It’s moments like these when I wish I wasn’t a hopeless cynic.
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« Reply #7 on: November 19, 2020, 09:56:16 PM »
Nichi and alum74 should get theirs right away. I think they’d be much more at ease. I don’t think Mn is going to get one.
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Re: Da Vaccine
« Reply #8 on: November 19, 2020, 10:36:41 PM »
Quote from: Custard on November 19, 2020, 09:17:33 PM
From everything I’ve been reading for months, as long as we protect Grandma we’re good to go right? That’s been the primary shaming mechanism for anyone upset at young minimal risk people attempting to be human beings.

You need to read more.
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« Reply #9 on: November 19, 2020, 11:05:42 PM »
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Re: Da Vaccine
« Reply #10 on: November 20, 2020, 01:32:01 AM »
Quote from: Custard on November 19, 2020, 09:40:47 PM
Seems reasonable. But phrased another way, should we pump two doses of a hurried, new mode-of-action vaccine into our entire healthcare workforce for a 94% chance at ~three months of protection?
Well, “three months of protection” is something you just pulled out of your ass, because you have no idea. By February, we will know if the vaccine wears off after a few months. And it’s not like there are more than a very, very small number of documented reinfections. Antibodies aren’t the only thing in your body that fights disease.
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« Reply #11 on: November 20, 2020, 07:26:51 AM »
My doc says get any, and get all. And that there will be booster shot(s) as part of the program.
Thoughts, thru a friend, from an infectious disease doc ......
Messenger RNA vaccines are considered safe because there is no live inactivated virus, just synthetic RNA. Messenger RNA technology has not been deployed in humans, but in the words of the infectious disease doc, it is considered to be safe.
Due to the need for the vaccines, getting to the distribution stages should take precedence over completing studies in all of the various risk groups of the population that maybe haven't been studied as of yet.
He finishes with saying that he will listen to what the infectious disease community recommends. If the vaccines are given the green light, he's all in.
My guess is the vaccines go first to health care workers, then the old folks and risk groups potentially suffering the greatest consequences.
I believe I read that effectiveness of the vaccine should occur within 4 weeks of getting the injection.
I get a flu shot every year. I hemmed and hawed about the 2 shingles vaccines. The consequences of getting shingles are a little different than the potential consequences of coronavirus tho. I'll get the coronavirus vaccination, and boosters, if/when the medical community recommends. Hopefully, that is soon.


 
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« Reply #12 on: November 20, 2020, 08:52:21 AM »
Quote from: Miniditka on November 20, 2020, 01:32:01 AM
Well, “three months of protection” is something you just pulled out of your ass, because you have no idea.


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« Reply #13 on: November 20, 2020, 09:02:02 AM »
Quote from: Mn on November 20, 2020, 07:26:51 AM
My doc says get any, and get all. And that there will be booster shot(s) as part of the program.
Thoughts, thru a friend, from an infectious disease doc ......
Messenger RNA vaccines are considered safe because there is no live inactivated virus, just synthetic RNA. Messenger RNA technology has not been deployed in humans, but in the words of the infectious disease doc, it is considered to be safe.
Due to the need for the vaccines, getting to the distribution stages should take precedence over completing studies in all of the various risk groups of the population that maybe haven't been studied as of yet.
He finishes with saying that he will listen to what the infectious disease community recommends. If the vaccines are given the green light, he's all in.
My guess is the vaccines go first to health care workers, then the old folks and risk groups potentially suffering the greatest consequences.
I believe I read that effectiveness of the vaccine should occur within 4 weeks of getting the injection.
I get a flu shot every year. I hemmed and hawed about the 2 shingles vaccines. The consequences of getting shingles are a little different than the potential consequences of coronavirus tho. I'll get the coronavirus vaccination, and boosters, if/when the medical community recommends. Hopefully, that is soon.

Shingles sucks very badly - but it's not contagious.

The acid test for you would be - did you vaccinate your kids for chicken pox?
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« Reply #14 on: November 20, 2020, 09:17:36 AM »
The Shingrix shots had the worst side effects for me of any vaccine.  I'm glad to be done with it.
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