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Re: Da Vaccine
« Reply #15 on: November 20, 2020, 09:25:17 AM »
I'll let the at risk people get it first, then down the line if proven effective and safe, sure I'll take it, but I seriously don't think I need a vaccine for a virus which has killed (or been found with) just over one out of 10k people in my age group in the last year (source: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm), or about 5% of deaths this year for my age group... and that I've probably already very likely been exposed to, and my immune system very likely fought off no problem.  I'll keep taking my vitamin D and attempting to live life. 
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« Reply #16 on: November 20, 2020, 09:53:09 AM »
I'll let the at risk people get it first, then down the line if proven effective and safe, sure I'll take it, but I seriously don't think I need a vaccine for a virus which has killed (or been found with) just over one out of 10k people in my age group in the last year (source: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm), or about 5% of deaths this year for my age group... and that I've probably already very likely been exposed to, and my immune system very likely fought off no problem.  I'll keep taking my vitamin D and attempting to live life.
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« Reply #17 on: November 20, 2020, 10:35:35 AM »
You can skip the vaccine, you just have to shelter in place if you do

No I don't
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« Reply #18 on: November 20, 2020, 11:09:21 AM »
Also, I kind of object to the characterization of people acting in an obscenely selfish manner is just them “attempting to be human beings.” Not everyone is at high risk of dying from this virus, but everyone can spread it to those who are. By going out and living your life normally, you are essentially saying “Fuck those people.” Americans have no sense of community or social responsibility any more. It’s sad. We suck.

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« Reply #19 on: November 20, 2020, 12:03:52 PM »
Meh, no surprise there.

I think it's Old 97's motto, actually.

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« Reply #20 on: November 20, 2020, 12:22:43 PM »
Also, I kind of object to the characterization of people acting in an obscenely selfish manner is just them “attempting to be human beings.” Not everyone is at high risk of dying from this virus, but everyone can spread it to those who are. By going out and living your life normally, you are essentially saying “Fuck those people.” Americans have no sense of community or social responsibility any more. It’s sad. We suck.

What if those people follow all guidelines when interacting with at-risk individuals? Or just avoid them entirely? I barely even saw my own family let alone other older people for pretty long stretches when I was in college. If you were on campus now as a 21 year old, you’d just stay locked down all the time despite it being low risk to you and your cohort? I have a hard time believing that.

I’m not at all surprised murph expects a vaccine mandate and rob wants to throw people in jail but I’m a little surprised that you, THE MiniDitka, think college kids being college kids is basically saying “fuck at-risk people.” There’s a lot more to it than that imo.
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« Reply #21 on: November 20, 2020, 12:30:25 PM »
This is known as The Bargaining Stage.

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« Reply #22 on: November 20, 2020, 12:45:55 PM »
Prior 18 to 21 year olds were storming the beaches at Normandy or slogging it out with Charlie in rice paddies, yet we can't expect the current crop of college kids to wear damned masks. Sad!
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« Reply #23 on: November 20, 2020, 12:56:18 PM »
Also, I kind of object to the characterization of people acting in an obscenely selfish manner is just them “attempting to be human beings.” Not everyone is at high risk of dying from this virus, but everyone can spread it to those who are. By going out and living your life normally, you are essentially saying “Fuck those people.” Americans have no sense of community or social responsibility any more. It’s sad. We suck.

Personally, I'll say that couldn't be further from the truth. I'm adamantly anti lockdown and "New Normal" and care about society and the world around me.  What I see is COVID doomerism and government restrictions destroying society, and millions of unintended lives.  And the more authoritarian you get the worse it is.  So many people are moving out of NYC right now that people have to book moving trucks months in advance. That can't be explained by fear of the virus itself, as it's been many months since NYC was a big hot spot, it's clearly about the lock downs.  I've seen videos of 5th avenue completely boarded up for blocks on end, I'm sure thats great for retail.  I've heard similar stories from many other cities like San Francisco that have taken the same path.

Does anyone really think society is better off in California or Victoria, Australia right now than it is in Sweden or South Dakota? The lockdowns are destroying both individual rights and the greater good of society by making people mentally ill and unstable.  I consider both of these important, and they aren't opposing ideals.  A society with a healthy amount of individual rights is more resilient than a more centralized, controlled society.  An authoritarian society has all its eggs in one basket, so to speak, the consequences of a failed decision can be more ruinous than a society in which individuals and groups of people can pursue different options and come to find what works best in a more organic way.

Really, I think most of you COVID doomers are either scared or just engaging in tribal behavior, and convincing yourself its for the greater good. The level of fear in our society has been getting more extreme for many years.  Social and mainstream media companies now have the ability to blast you in the face during your every waking moment with fear.  I think I just see it differently in part because I'm just not that scared of death or this virus, its not a major concern that I even think about.  Just like who is president of the US, honestly I could care less, it doesn't effect my daily routine at all really.  Anyway, hopefully I have a number of decades of healthy life still ahead of me, being in my 40s, but I know if I manage to live to be old I'll eventually get to a more vulnerable state, but frankly, the thought of dying of COVID or something similar one day is less scary to me than the thought of living in a society that's ever more fearful, authoritarian, polarized and just flat out bat shit crazy.  I hope by the time I get old that society has abandoned the idea that the old have to be protected "for their own good" and used as cash cows for the medical industry and instead accepted that death is a natural conclusion to life.  I guess thats selfish though...
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Re: Da Vaccine
« Reply #24 on: November 20, 2020, 01:03:14 PM »
Do you know how to make pipe bombs?

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« Reply #25 on: November 20, 2020, 01:56:19 PM »
No I don't
OK then - here's a better deal. Much like children who aren't vaccinated for Measles can't go to school, if you don't get vaccinated you can't use hospitals.

That way you aren't being forced to do anything, snowflake.

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« Reply #26 on: November 20, 2020, 01:58:32 PM »
What if those people follow all guidelines when interacting with at-risk individuals? Or just avoid them entirely? .

Good idea.

Old People get yellow stars. Diabetic get pink triangles. Immunocompromised get green circles. That was the people who don't want vaccines can identify the at-risk individuals so they can start following guidelines

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« Reply #27 on: November 20, 2020, 02:02:15 PM »
  So many people are moving out of NYC right now that people have to book moving trucks months in advance. That can't be explained by fear of the virus itself, as it's been many months since NYC was a big hot spot, it's clearly about the lock downs.  I've seen videos of 5th avenue completely boarded up for blocks on end, I'm sure thats great for retail.  I've heard similar stories from many other cities like San Francisco that have taken the same path.

Geez goober, it couldn't possibly be that people are now able to keep their six figure jobs but ditch their 4k/month rent and go live somewhere cheap for a while.

At our company meeting (record earnings, stock at 530 by the way, Einstein) - the CEO addressed these issues because sure, NorCal is pretty awesome but the rent's pretty high.

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« Reply #28 on: November 20, 2020, 02:05:43 PM »
Really, I think most of you COVID doomers are either scared or just engaging in tribal behavior, and convincing yourself its for the greater good. The level of fear in our society has been getting more extreme for many years. 

This just sums up Trumpism. Everyone in Mountain View walks around with a mask. It's not because we are afraid of anything. Sure, we don't want to die, and we know if we catch COVID it would be bad.

But smart people don't make decisions based on fear. They make decisions based on taking information and choosing that path that gives the best result. Period. If we follow the decision tree to wear masks, socially distance, limit our trips - then COVID will recede and we can get back to business.

I used to think it was a special kind of stupid that couldn't comprehend that. Nope - it's not that special it appears.

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« Reply #29 on: November 20, 2020, 04:07:11 PM »
What if those people follow all guidelines when interacting with at-risk individuals? Or just avoid them entirely? I barely even saw my own family let alone other older people for pretty long stretches when I was in college. If you were on campus now as a 21 year old, you’d just stay locked down all the time despite it being low risk to you and your cohort? I have a hard time believing that.

I’m not at all surprised murph expects a vaccine mandate and rob wants to throw people in jail but I’m a little surprised that you, THE MiniDitka, think college kids being college kids is basically saying “fuck at-risk people.” There’s a lot more to it than that imo.
Yes, it’s absolutely saying “Fuck at-risk people.” “Fuck health care workers” too, while we’re at it. It’s not just about spreading it to people you care about, it’s about spreading it to people you don’t know. You may give it to some old lady at the grocery store who then dies. Maybe her husband dies too. Or maybe you give it to another student who is careless around his/her parents.

The only way to keep at risk people safe is by containing spread of the disease so there are fewer carriers. That means sacrificing some fun to save other people’s lives. Nobody is isolated in this, you change your behavior to control overall community spread, not just spread to the people you know.

And I don’t know what I’d do if I were 21 at UIUC. I was a selfish idiot back then, as are most college students. I’m a little more willing to excuse college students for being selfish idiots than 20, 30, 40, and 50-somethings I see doing it, but they’re still selfish idiots.
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