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Re: Tim Walz
« Reply #240 on: August 21, 2024, 01:00:30 PM »
Quote from: Judge Judy on August 21, 2024, 12:20:33 PM
Sounds simple enough, huh?!

Simple enough for both Dem and GOP political consultants to understand. Simple enough for politicians like Jim Edgar, Judy Baar Topinka and even Bruce Rauner (first race) to understand. 
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Re: Tim Walz
« Reply #241 on: August 21, 2024, 01:11:59 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on August 21, 2024, 12:39:41 PM
I’d be ok with tweeking the electoral college, and I “created” a plan to do that in a college class.

Proportional voting like Maine and one other.

Instead of winner takes all, statewide winner gets 2 at-large electors. Each house congressional district elector is awarded by who won the district.
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Re: Tim Walz
« Reply #242 on: August 21, 2024, 01:14:47 PM »
Quote from: Jobu on August 21, 2024, 12:42:51 PM
I don't want to move. I like where I live. I'm just saying that under the current system my vote for president is meaningless. That's all.

I think I get it.  This discussion reminds me of what my mom (moderate left) would tell my dad (staunch Republican) every four years:  "I'm going to cancel your vote."
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Re: Tim Walz
« Reply #243 on: August 21, 2024, 01:32:57 PM »
I’m not crazy about the idea of gifting every election to coastal folks multiple generations removed from any kind of lifestyle resembling that of middle America. I’m sure people would make adjustments though.
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Re: Tim Walz
« Reply #244 on: August 21, 2024, 04:08:17 PM »
Quote from: Jobu on August 21, 2024, 12:42:51 PM
I don't want to move. I like where I live. I'm just saying that under the current system my vote for president is meaningless. That's all.

If you look at the last 16 years, if we get rid of the electoral college, then *everyone's* vote will be meaningless.
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Re: Tim Walz
« Reply #245 on: August 21, 2024, 04:11:20 PM »
Quote from: illiniray on August 21, 2024, 01:11:59 PM
Proportional voting like Maine and one other.

Instead of winner takes all, statewide winner gets 2 at-large electors. Each house congressional district elector is awarded by who won the district.

That's worse than the current electoral college. The current electoral college has some distributions that end up as a de facto gerrymander, but house districts in many states are explicitly gerrymandered.
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Re: Tim Walz
« Reply #246 on: August 21, 2024, 04:13:23 PM »
Quote from: Custard on August 21, 2024, 01:32:57 PM
I’m not crazy about the idea of gifting every election to coastal folks multiple generations removed from any kind of lifestyle resembling that of middle America. I’m sure people would make adjustments though.

Should we gift every election to the handful of people living in decaying rural areas of middle america, who are far removed from any kind of lifestyle resembling that of people on the coast? (really - not the coast. There is a large amount of Coastline in South Carolina, and not much coastline in Chicago and it's suburbs).
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Re: Tim Walz
« Reply #247 on: August 21, 2024, 04:59:37 PM »
Quote from: murphstahoe on August 21, 2024, 04:13:23 PM
Should we gift every election to the handful of people living in decaying rural areas of middle america, who are far removed from any kind of lifestyle resembling that of people on the coast? (really - not the coast. There is a large amount of Coastline in South Carolina, and not much coastline in Chicago and it's suburbs).

That’s not even close to what’s happening
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Re: Tim Walz
« Reply #248 on: August 21, 2024, 05:32:51 PM »
Quote from: Custard on August 21, 2024, 04:59:37 PM
That’s not even close to what’s happening

Whatever - you seem to be proposing that a small set of people should set the rules, not the majority.
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Re: Tim Walz
« Reply #249 on: August 21, 2024, 05:39:19 PM »
Quote from: murphstahoe on August 21, 2024, 05:32:51 PM
Whatever - you seem to be proposing that a small set of people should set the rules, not the majority.

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Re: Tim Walz
« Reply #250 on: August 21, 2024, 05:53:13 PM »
Quote from: murphstahoe on August 21, 2024, 05:32:51 PM
Whatever - you seem to be proposing that a small set of people should set the rules, not the majority.

No he doesn’t lol. What the fuck are you talking about?!
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Re: Tim Walz
« Reply #251 on: August 21, 2024, 05:59:54 PM »
Quote from: Judge Judy on August 21, 2024, 05:53:13 PM
No he doesn’t lol. What the fuck are you talking about?!

"I’m not crazy about the idea of gifting every election to coastal folks multiple generations removed from any kind of lifestyle resembling that of middle America. I’m sure people would make adjustments though."

If there are more "coastal folks" than "middle Americans" - then it's not a "gift". It's Democracy. One person, one vote. Acreage doesn't vote.
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Re: Tim Walz
« Reply #252 on: August 21, 2024, 06:04:38 PM »
Quote from: murphstahoe on August 21, 2024, 04:13:23 PM
Should we gift every election to the handful of people living in decaying rural areas of middle america, who are far removed from any kind of lifestyle resembling that of people on the coast? (really - not the coast. There is a large amount of Coastline in South Carolina, and not much coastline in Chicago and it's suburbs).

Progressive tears over the Electoral College are the saltiest. Sorry you do not back candidates who can win elections based on the ground rules that have existed since 1789.
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Re: Tim Walz
« Reply #253 on: August 21, 2024, 06:18:08 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on August 21, 2024, 06:04:38 PM
Progressive tears over the Electoral College are the saltiest. Sorry you do not back candidates who can win elections based on the ground rules that have existed since 1789.

Name the current President. Show your work.
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Re: Tim Walz
« Reply #254 on: August 21, 2024, 06:54:18 PM »
Quote from: murphstahoe on August 21, 2024, 06:18:08 PM
Name the current President. Show your work.

You did not back him. You barely tolerated him, like Tempo.
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