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The “Debate” 6/27/2024

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Re: The “Debate” 6/27/2024
« Reply #225 on: July 02, 2024, 11:13:45 AM »
Quote from: murphstahoe on July 02, 2024, 01:15:05 AM
Newsom is a very smart guy and knows good policy. Your critique on his image is well founded, I mean he was in this photo...

https://x.com/ellievhall/status/1298075368654548992

He's scripting a new look. Not dying his hair, and letting it grow scruffy, trading in his suits to wear a fleece with the Bear Republic Logo.

Compare and contrast
https://images.axios.com/YzvIlVLI5IQREz9I-ysNr6-ZPJA=/86x344:3649x2348/1600x900/2019/11/04/1572838985850.jpg?w=1600

Looks like Gavin has taken a page out of Bruce Rauner’s playbook.  Does he ride a chopper motorcycle or compete in monster truck shows?

Seriously though, I’m troubled by the lack of damage control since the debate.  Biden should be making more public appearances (late night talk shows, ribbon-cutting events, sit-down interviews, etc.).  He’s got to put himself out there; communicating his agenda and explaining why his opponent is a dangerous lunatic.  Instead, the Biden campaign is sliding into bunker mentality mode and hoping the storm blows itself out.  Fairly or unfairly, it seems to confirm that he’s really slipped.   

As to a potential replacement, the thought of a smug-looking California politician pushing Harris aside is risky.  It won’t play well among women and African Americans, who are an important part of the Democratic Party.  And this problem is further exacerbated by the fact that the Democrats have a multitude of factions, including Midwest organized labor, educated urbanites, and Church-affiliated southern Black voters.  By contrast, the Republicans have a singular base, which has rallied around Trump. 

I’m ready to move on from Biden.  But it will require a coalition ticket that appeals to the various party factions.  We also need someone that has the potential to inherit Biden's money and campaign structure.

Here’s my proposed ticket:  Harris-Kelly.   Other options would be Harris-Shapiro and Harris-Cooper. 
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Re: The “Debate” 6/27/2024
« Reply #226 on: July 02, 2024, 12:09:45 PM »
Harris isn't winning. Ever.
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Re: The “Debate” 6/27/2024
« Reply #227 on: July 02, 2024, 12:19:22 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on July 02, 2024, 12:09:45 PM
Harris isn't winning. Ever.

Truth.

If not Newsom - who I think works because he's so well prepared as a speaker he'll twist Trump into a pretzel - Shapiro (PA), Whitmer (MI), Cooper (complicates NC for Trump), maybe even go nuts and take Beshear, who won't put KY into play but might sweep up the swing states by sending this signal "we took a moderate Gov of a Red State that works well with a very conservative assembly).

Harris would lose by a lot. She's in the same bin as Biden - "voting against Trump"
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Re: The “Debate” 6/27/2024
« Reply #228 on: July 02, 2024, 12:29:06 PM »
Quote from: murphstahoe on July 02, 2024, 12:19:22 PM
Truth.

If not Newsom - who I think works because he's so well prepared as a speaker he'll twist Trump into a pretzel - Shapiro (PA), Whitmer (MI), Cooper (complicates NC for Trump), maybe even go nuts and take Beshear, who won't put KY into play but might sweep up the swing states by sending this signal "we took a moderate Gov of a Red State that works well with a very conservative assembly).

Harris would lose by a lot. She's in the same bin as Biden - "voting against Trump"

The big problem is that we are all guessing. Had Biden just not run again and we had an open primary, this would be a non-issue. Biden really did us a disservice here.
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Re: The “Debate” 6/27/2024
« Reply #229 on: July 02, 2024, 03:01:23 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on July 02, 2024, 12:09:45 PM
Harris isn't winning. Ever.

Yes, she would be an immediate underdog to Trump, but so would the other Dems being mentioned as an alternative to Biden.  Interestingly, a recent CNN poll shows that Harris might be within striking distance.  So I wouldn't be so quick to write her off.
https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/02/politics/cnn-poll-post-debate/index.html

Again, the process by which the Democrats select Biden's successor would be critical, maybe more so than who is ultimately nominated.  If Harris is passed over, a side deal would have to be worked out with her and the African American congressional leadership.  That may be easier said than done.
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Re: The “Debate” 6/27/2024
« Reply #230 on: July 02, 2024, 03:04:14 PM »
Quote from: alum74 on July 02, 2024, 03:01:23 PM
Yes, she would be an immediate underdog to Trump, but so would the other Dems being mentioned as an alternative to Biden.  Interestingly, a recent CNN poll shows that Harris might be within striking distance.  So I wouldn't be so quick to write her off.
https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/02/politics/cnn-poll-post-debate/index.html

Again, the process by which the Democrats select Biden's successor would be critical, maybe more so than who is ultimately nominated.  If Harris is passed over, a side deal would have to be worked out with her and the African American congressional leadership.  That may be easier said than done.

why you actually think blacks will all of a sudden start voting for republicans because of the lack of Kamala Harris?

LOL  retard
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Re: The “Debate” 6/27/2024
« Reply #231 on: July 02, 2024, 03:20:12 PM »
Quote from: ILLove1997 on July 02, 2024, 03:04:14 PM
why you actually think blacks will all of a sudden start voting for republicans because of the lack of Kamala Harris?

LOL  retard

That's not the issue.  Some blacks, particularly women, might decide to sit out this election.  Try to keep up.
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Re: The “Debate” 6/27/2024
« Reply #232 on: July 02, 2024, 03:20:56 PM »
Quote from: ILLove1997 on July 02, 2024, 03:04:14 PM
why you actually think blacks will all of a sudden start voting for republicans because of the lack of Kamala Harris?

LOL  retard

Reading is a skill. He didn't type that. We all know the issue would be turnout.
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Re: The “Debate” 6/27/2024
« Reply #233 on: July 02, 2024, 03:21:20 PM »
Quote from: alum74 on July 02, 2024, 03:20:12 PM
That's not the issue.  Some blacks, particularly women, might decide to sit out this election.  Try to keep up.

Classic QAnon97....
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Re: The “Debate” 6/27/2024
« Reply #234 on: July 02, 2024, 03:26:33 PM »
Quote from: alum74 on July 02, 2024, 03:01:23 PM
Yes, she would be an immediate underdog to Trump, but so would the other Dems being mentioned as an alternative to Biden.  Interestingly, a recent CNN poll shows that Harris might be within striking distance.  So I wouldn't be so quick to write her off.
https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/02/politics/cnn-poll-post-debate/index.html

Again, the process by which the Democrats select Biden's successor would be critical, maybe more so than who is ultimately nominated.  If Harris is passed over, a side deal would have to be worked out with her and the African American congressional leadership.  That may be easier said than done.

The more the public gets to know most of the others, they go up
The more the public gets to know Harris, she goes down
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Re: The “Debate” 6/27/2024
« Reply #235 on: July 02, 2024, 03:28:01 PM »
Quote from: alum74 on July 02, 2024, 03:20:12 PM
That's not the issue.  Some blacks, particularly women, might decide to sit out this election.  Try to keep up.

This old white guy might sit of the election because of the presence of an old white guy

It amuses me when I say "Gavin Newsom" you say "ZOMG CALIFORNIA"
Harris was Newsom's DA in SF, Attorney General in Sacramento, and was the Senator from California
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Re: The “Debate” 6/27/2024
« Reply #236 on: July 02, 2024, 03:41:57 PM »
Quote from: murphstahoe on July 02, 2024, 03:28:01 PM
This old white guy might sit of the election because of the presence of an old white guy

It amuses me when I say "Gavin Newsom" you say "ZOMG CALIFORNIA"
Harris was Newsom's DA in SF, Attorney General in Sacramento, and was the Senator from California

You don't have to sit out the election.  Just write in Susan Sarandon. Problem solved.
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Re: The “Debate” 6/27/2024
« Reply #237 on: July 02, 2024, 03:45:28 PM »
Quote from: ILLove1997 on July 02, 2024, 03:04:14 PM
why you actually think blacks will all of a sudden start voting for republicans because of the lack of Kamala Harris?

LOL  retard

It’s striking how many conservative black Christian families you see in the south. Great Society and generations of incentivizing single motherhood wiped out the black family in most places. I also know several gay Christian conservatives. And I am always surprised how much less segregated the southern cities are than the northern ones. Having lived near Chicago most of my life, I was basically taught these things don’t exist.
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Re: The “Debate” 6/27/2024
« Reply #238 on: July 02, 2024, 04:06:04 PM »
Quote from: murphstahoe on July 02, 2024, 10:18:13 AM
But did you remember this?

https://sfist.com/2007/01/31/holy_crap/

Double play - refutes the "slick, perfect" ideal, without treading into ground already owned by Trump.

Honestly one of the skeeviest moments of the whole debate was Biden getting very flummoxed (yet again) and deciding to just go "well ya ya ya ya ya he slept with a porn star whi whi whi whi whi while his wife was pregnant"

Felt like he was backed into a corner, his mind was melting down and he just threw out a random insult.

I think the last candidate derailed by an affair might have been Gary Hart?
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Re: The “Debate” 6/27/2024
« Reply #239 on: July 02, 2024, 04:10:51 PM »
Quote from: alum74 on July 02, 2024, 03:01:23 PM
  If Harris is passed over, a side deal would have to be worked out with her and the African American congressional leadership.  That may be easier said than done.
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