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WTF is going to happen in the next week?

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alum74

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Re: WTF is going to happen in the next week?
« Reply #105 on: November 08, 2020, 05:11:47 PM »
O'Donnell Missing the Point in Fraud Claim
https://rightwisconsin.com/2020/11/08/odonnell-missing-the-point-in-fraud-claim

Pa. attorney general says there’s no need for additional intervention by Supreme Court with mail ballots
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/penn-supreme-alito-mail-ballots/2020/11/07/c3f8676c-20fd-11eb-b532-05c751cd5dc2_story.html

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Re: WTF is going to happen in the next week?
« Reply #106 on: November 08, 2020, 09:19:37 PM »
Quote from: Mn on November 08, 2020, 04:25:56 PM
State legislatures set election law, not State election commissioners. If ballots are invalid due to state law, they could be voided in an audit.

Wisconsin .....
https://newstalk1130.iheart.com/alternate/amp/2020-11-07-wisconsin-clerks-may-have-unlawfully-altered-thousands-of-absentee-ballots/?__twitter_impression=true

Instead, multiple sources tell "The Dan O'Donnell Show," municipal clerks and vote counters across the state simply filled out witness signatures themselves. Acting on false and unlawful advice from the Wisconsin Elections Commission (WEC), these clerks may have inadvertently invalidated thousands of absentee votes.

"The statute is very, very clear," said retired Wisconsin Supreme Court Justice Michael Gableman, who worked as a poll watcher in Milwaukee on Election Day. "If an absentee ballot does not have a witness address on it, it's not valid. That ballot is not valid."

The WEC sent uniform instructions to voters with their mail-in ballots that informed them that "your witness must sign and provide their full address (street number, street name, city) in the Certification of Witness section" and warned that "if any of the required information above is missing, your ballot will not be counted."

However, on October 19th, the WEC sent instructions to clerks that they can simply fill in the witness address themselves so that the ballot would not be invalidated.

"Please note that the clerk should attempt to resolve any missing witness address information prior to Election Day if possible, and this can be done through reliable information (personal knowledge, voter registration information, through a phone call with the voter or witness)," WEC wrote. "The witness does not need to appear to add a missing address."

Pa.....
SCOTUS directed segregation of ballots received and/or counted between close of voting on Tues and sometime on Fri. SCOTUS assumed this would happen. It looks as tho Pa can not verify that it did.
Does this imply that some individuals didn't think the SCOTUS opinion applied to them ?

In other words, Trump supporters have nothing.
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Re: WTF is going to happen in the next week?
« Reply #107 on: November 08, 2020, 09:25:12 PM »
Quote from: Custard on November 08, 2020, 04:10:01 PM
I don’t have time to giggle it but I imagine it would be some kind of a holistic process that looks at the procedures and safeguards and such versus an actual recount

What would be the remedy? I suppose a state legislature could commit political suicide by voting to select unelected electors? Would SCOTUS dare declare a state election invalid without much stronger evidence than the loser whining we are hearing so far?   
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Re: WTF is going to happen in the next week?
« Reply #108 on: November 08, 2020, 09:37:16 PM »
In the Wisco example, it appears that Maistelman agrees with the election commission position rather than the legislature.
The election commission also may have enabled up to 200,000 to avoid id laws.
The courts can decide.
In the Pa example and the AG.
This guy thinks the courts need not get involved ? lol.

From before the election.

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Re: WTF is going to happen in the next week?
« Reply #109 on: November 08, 2020, 09:39:47 PM »
Quote from: illiniray on November 08, 2020, 09:19:37 PM
In other words, Trump supporters have nothing.
You mean the campaign has nothing ?
How's that ?
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Re: WTF is going to happen in the next week?
« Reply #110 on: November 09, 2020, 12:03:15 AM »
Quote from: Mn on November 08, 2020, 09:37:16 PM
In the Wisco example, it appears that Maistelman agrees with the election commission position rather than the legislature.
The election commission also may have enabled up to 200,000 to avoid id laws.
The courts can decide.
In the Pa example and the AG.
This guy thinks the courts need not get involved ? lol.

From before the election.

What, exactly, are the courts deciding? If the State of Wisconsin says a ballot is valid and the state waived any issue with the ID law, who even has standing to challenge that? And why would it matter? No one is damaged by people exercising the right to vote. And it's all likely moot anyway.

If the court has the power to second-guess the executive branch and invalidate ballots, it has the power to fashion far simpler and more equitable remedies that don't needlessly threaten Constitutional interests on multiple fronts.

There's just nothing here and you're being grifted.
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Re: WTF is going to happen in the next week?
« Reply #111 on: November 09, 2020, 12:27:01 AM »
Mn is brighter than the worst MAGAt, and possibly the average MAGAt.  But he's still a MAGAt.

If Mn provided a rational reason for his Trumpian advocacy (e.g. I'm a small business owner. My net income would go down $17k) there'd be a reason for you to debate him.

As of now, there's no reason to debate him. 

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Re: WTF is going to happen in the next week?
« Reply #112 on: November 09, 2020, 06:57:39 AM »
From the Wisconsin Elections Commission home page







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Re: WTF is going to happen in the next week?
« Reply #113 on: November 09, 2020, 08:15:41 AM »
Quote from: illinicalvin on November 09, 2020, 12:03:15 AM
What, exactly, are the courts deciding? If the State of Wisconsin says a ballot is valid and the state waived any issue with the ID law, who even has standing to challenge that? And why would it matter? No one is damaged by people exercising the right to vote. And it's all likely moot anyway.

If the court has the power to second-guess the executive branch and invalidate ballots, it has the power to fashion far simpler and more equitable remedies that don't needlessly threaten Constitutional interests on multiple fronts.

There's just nothing here and you're being grifted.

This could be but I think we're being trolled.  No solutions just gasoline.
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Re: WTF is going to happen in the next week?
« Reply #114 on: November 09, 2020, 08:38:54 AM »
Why does Mn want another 4 years of golf and watching cable TV?
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Re: WTF is going to happen in the next week?
« Reply #115 on: November 09, 2020, 09:41:26 AM »
Personally, I'm glad Mn consumes the right-wing media for all the conspiracy and other half-baked theories so I don't have to.
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Re: WTF is going to happen in the next week?
« Reply #116 on: November 09, 2020, 09:50:08 AM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on November 09, 2020, 09:41:26 AM
Personally, I'm glad Mn consumes the right-wing media for all the conspiracy and other half-baked theories so I don't have to.
Just trying to help out.
How does it go ?
Oh, yeah.
"Democracy dies in darkness"
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Re: WTF is going to happen in the next week?
« Reply #117 on: November 09, 2020, 10:06:04 AM »
PA and AZ and possibly WI will flip to Trump and he’ll keep GA NC and go on to a well deserved second term. Many liberal tears will fall.
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Re: WTF is going to happen in the next week?
« Reply #118 on: November 09, 2020, 10:22:20 AM »
I think OANN should run with that version of events.

Couldn't we just pretend that Trump is still president while the Biden administration gets to work? Wouldn't that satisfy his True Believers?
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Re: WTF is going to happen in the next week?
« Reply #119 on: November 09, 2020, 11:20:09 AM »
Quote from: fucking on November 07, 2020, 02:59:48 PM
As you know, the good lawyers require payment.

But wouldn't it be great if ActRed diverted all its cash from the GA-sp and into the Trump Election Defense Fund?

Loeffler already said she kicked in a million to Trump's legal maneuverings. What does this actually mean, however? Does Trump keep the money? Does his campaign then kick a million back to Loeffler's campaign?

That election is going to be very interesting. Do the MAGAts turn out without Trump on the ballot, they didn't 2 years ago.
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