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Should Terrence Shannon play while awaiting trial?

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Should Terrence Shannon play while awaiting trial?

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Re: Should Terrence Shannon play while awaiting trial?
« Reply #300 on: June 14, 2024, 11:30:10 AM »
Quote from: Judge Judy on June 14, 2024, 09:44:15 AM
By him being innocent, her claim it was him and to blame him is false. She literally tried to ruin an innocent man’s life.
That's literally not how any of this works.

Hell, she could sue him in civil court and win like Ron Goldman's family. You think OJ was innocent?

Terrence Shannon would probably be dumb to sue her because it'd leave the door wide open for a counterclaim and he presumably has more money.
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Re: Should Terrence Shannon play while awaiting trial?
« Reply #301 on: June 14, 2024, 11:32:24 AM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on June 14, 2024, 09:23:57 AM
I said no defendant's attorney would ever, ever let them present the evidence from the ongoing criminal trial to a university panel.

Then, when they didn't do that, you called me wrong.

Disingenuous indeed.  When you have to lie about what someone said to claim a victory, you probably don't have a winning point.

Bullshit. You are a fucking disingenuous piece of crap. Again , go tell your crap to your therapist. You are proven to be a lying sack of shit.
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Re: Should Terrence Shannon play while awaiting trial?
« Reply #302 on: June 14, 2024, 11:34:19 AM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on June 14, 2024, 09:46:02 AM
You think if someone is acquitted of a crime the person who accused them should go to jail?  Again, just a total abandonment of the notion of presumption of innocence.

If they have the evidence to prove she made it up or lied to the same standard that was applied to TSJ's trial (beyond a reasonable doubt), then by all means charge and convict her.  Until she is convicted, she's afforded the exact same presumption of innocence that he was.

Somewhere along the line, some civics teacher failed you absolutely horrendously.  You just have no idea how any of this works, and are proud to prove it over and over.

You preaching about civics is really rich.... LOL. You are a disingenuous asshole. Go suck on a tailpipe.
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Re: Should Terrence Shannon play while awaiting trial?
« Reply #303 on: June 14, 2024, 11:36:38 AM »
Quote from: illinicalvin on June 14, 2024, 11:30:10 AM
That's literally not how any of this works.

Hell, she could sue him in civil court and win like Ron Goldman's family. You think OJ was innocent?

Terrence Shannon would probably be dumb to sue her because it'd leave the door wide open for a counterclaim and he presumably has more money.

Possible. However, his testifying, when there was really no need for it, is something.

Odds are the strumpet has no cash (but plenty of DNA from 5 other guys). The police department and DA's office on the other hand....
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Re: Should Terrence Shannon play while awaiting trial?
« Reply #304 on: June 14, 2024, 11:47:03 AM »
Quote from: Judge Judy on June 14, 2024, 09:08:13 AM
She’s not a victim.
I think the evidence we have shows it more likely than not that she was physically assaulted at the bar that night. Do you disagree and think she made it up entirely?

The things she wavered on go to her intoxication level and the credibility of her identification of TJS.

The friend's testimony suggests to me she was, in fact, assaulted, because there's no reason the complainant would tell the friend a fabricated story in the moment - if it was wholly concocted to go after an athlete she would've identified him to the friend immediately so the friend would also identify the athlete. And if the friend had done that, TSJ would've been toast.
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Re: Should Terrence Shannon play while awaiting trial?
« Reply #305 on: June 14, 2024, 12:14:04 PM »
And if the investigators ask a couple of the right questions maybe there are no charges, there is no trial and the woman is not a target
And this thread wouldn't exist.

If the investigators don't ask the right questions a shit show can occur.
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Re: Should Terrence Shannon play while awaiting trial?
« Reply #306 on: June 14, 2024, 12:25:05 PM »
Quote from: No one is above the law on June 14, 2024, 12:14:04 PM
And if the investigators ask a couple of the right questions maybe there are no charges, there is no trial and the woman is not a target
And this thread wouldn't exist.

If the investigators don't ask the right questions a shit show can occur.
100%.
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Re: Should Terrence Shannon play while awaiting trial?
« Reply #307 on: June 14, 2024, 12:26:45 PM »
Lots of doubling down on protecting this “victim” being sold as levelheadedness. The texts and the length of time they tried to get a settlement tells the whole story.
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Re: Should Terrence Shannon play while awaiting trial?
« Reply #308 on: June 14, 2024, 12:36:18 PM »
Quote from: illinicalvin on June 14, 2024, 11:30:10 AM
That's literally not how any of this works.

Hell, she could sue him in civil court and win like Ron Goldman's family. You think OJ was innocent?

Terrence Shannon would probably be dumb to sue her because it'd leave the door wide open for a counterclaim and he presumably has more money.

The Goldman family should be put in jail for lying and ruining OJ’s life!

There’s a situation where it’d make sense for TSJ to sue, IMO, or for her to be charged with a crime - just not based on the evidence we have available to us right now.  My guess is there was no smoking gun on her phone or they’d have introduced it in court, but maybe I’m wrong about that.
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Re: Should Terrence Shannon play while awaiting trial?
« Reply #309 on: June 14, 2024, 12:50:43 PM »
Quote from: Custard on June 14, 2024, 12:26:45 PM
Lots of doubling down on protecting this “victim” being sold as levelheadedness. The texts and the length of time they tried to get a settlement tells the whole story.
Eh, an assault can cross a lot of wires, particularly when close people know and are suggesting options. I wouldn't read too much into that stuff.
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Re: Should Terrence Shannon play while awaiting trial?
« Reply #310 on: June 14, 2024, 01:54:10 PM »
I fully grasp the problem with victim blaming and all that, but I also think there’s a problem with green lighting grifters that will take full advantage of this same sentiment. This looks a lot like a poorly thought out money grab that caused a lot of problems for innocent people. If that’s indeed the case, I see no reason to try and protect her.
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Re: Should Terrence Shannon play while awaiting trial?
« Reply #311 on: June 14, 2024, 02:02:37 PM »
What evidence is there that this is, in your words, "a poorly thought out money grab"?  An emoji texted from an uninvolved party, and presented explicitly outside of the accuser's testimony (so she wasn't cross-examined about it)?  If there was some actual compelling evidence of it being an extortion scheme on the phone, don't you think they'd have presented it instead of this emoji? 

His defense attorneys also notably presented evidence (more compelling evidence than the emoji, but still not at all conclusive) showing that she might've simply identified the wrong person - in which case you guys have been slut shaming and now doxxing a sexual assault victim and particularly going after the people who point out how fucked up that is.

If it was just a money grab and they're lying about the whole thing, wouldn't you think the witness would also just lie and claim she saw it?  You think they invented this story down to the point of having the accuser visibly upset and her friend consoling her on camera right after the alleged incident?

If there's compelling evidence that this was an extortion scheme no one will complain if they go after her for it - they absolutely should go after her in that circumstance.  But if that evidence exists, we haven't seen it.  They were smart to introduce the texts and let the jury draw their own inferences from the emoji, and they did a great job introducing reasonable doubt (of which there was a lot in this case), but that's in no way evidence of some scheme where they invented the assault to extort TSJ.
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Re: Should Terrence Shannon play while awaiting trial?
« Reply #312 on: June 14, 2024, 02:18:10 PM »
Quote from: illinicalvin on June 14, 2024, 11:47:03 AM
I think the evidence we have shows it more likely than not that she was physically assaulted at the bar that night. Do you disagree and think she made it up entirely?

The things she wavered on go to her intoxication level and the credibility of her identification of TJS.

The friend's testimony suggests to me she was, in fact, assaulted, because there's no reason the complainant would tell the friend a fabricated story in the moment - if it was wholly concocted to go after an athlete she would've identified him to the friend immediately so the friend would also identify the athlete. And if the friend had done that, TSJ would've been toast.

The prosecutors did not even bring any more witnesses back after the defense rested. That says a lot.

Apparently there was a lack of DNA in the, let's call it, assault areas.

Going clubbing the next night also didn't help her case.

We could sit here all day doing this, but TSJ's counsel already picked the case apart.
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Re: Should Terrence Shannon play while awaiting trial?
« Reply #313 on: June 14, 2024, 04:12:26 PM »
Quote from: Custard on June 14, 2024, 01:54:10 PM
I fully grasp the problem with victim blaming and all that, but I also think there’s a problem with green lighting grifters that will take full advantage of this same sentiment. This looks a lot like a poorly thought out money grab that caused a lot of problems for innocent people. If that’s indeed the case, I see no reason to try and protect her.

This case was very difficult for liberal / progressive Illini fans.

Women never lie about sexual assault.

But, black men age 18-25 don't get a fair shake

But, high profile athletes often aren't held accessible

The misidentification theory is perfect for them.
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Re: Should Terrence Shannon play while awaiting trial?
« Reply #314 on: June 14, 2024, 05:10:43 PM »
Quote from: illiniray on June 14, 2024, 04:12:26 PM
This case was very difficult for liberal / progressive Illini fans.

Women never lie about sexual assault.

But, black men age 18-25 don't get a fair shake

But, high profile athletes often aren't held accessible

The misidentification theory is perfect for them.

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