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Re: Other NFL teams/games 2024
« Reply #630 on: May 20, 2024, 04:36:30 PM »
Williams got that support in no small part because Fields was bad in Chicago.

I'd like Caleb to walk into a situation where half the fans didn't spend the last year denigrating him for all kinds of stretchy stupid shit, but here we are.

He got that added support because what they had wasn’t good enough. For anyone…
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« Reply #631 on: May 20, 2024, 04:41:15 PM »
Not once did I criticize Fields' play this year and have you respond with acknowledgement of his poor play.  Not a single time. 

That’s a lie. No doubt I was eager to spread blame, but I can promise you I didn’t go an entire season without pointing out a bad play or something in that vane about Justin. Again, talk about wildly stretchy. There were plenty of times Justin made a bad play or held the ball too long. I specifically remember a back and forth with JudgeJudy where I was imploring Fields to “throw it!”

You can definitely label me a Fields apologist without stretching the truth. I own it.
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« Reply #632 on: May 20, 2024, 04:42:55 PM »
This is great.

A.  Fields whines about being coached during the season. Tempo makes excuses and obfuscates for Fields in response.

B.  Report appears that Bear coaches and players say that Fields was not a great locker room guy, which supports comment A above. Tempo ignores report and criticizes the number of The Twotter followers of whoever aggregated the original report and of the person posting it here. 

C. Tempo now claims he never had any animus towards Williams despite being called out by name on a podcast.

Just another day at HQ2.
Mark Carman: "The Whitlock!...Caleb Williams failed Wayne Whitlock." Been told I need to take my dick out my mouth so maybe I "wont [sic] sound like such a fucking faggot all the time[.]"

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Re: Other NFL teams/games 2024
« Reply #633 on: May 20, 2024, 04:44:26 PM »
You can definitely label me a Fields apologist without stretching the truth. I own it.

"Apologist" is not a strong enough....but ok.
Mark Carman: "The Whitlock!...Caleb Williams failed Wayne Whitlock." Been told I need to take my dick out my mouth so maybe I "wont [sic] sound like such a fucking faggot all the time[.]"

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« Reply #634 on: May 20, 2024, 04:44:48 PM »
This is great.

A.  Fields whines about being coached during the season. Tempo makes excuses and obfuscates for Fields in response.

B.  Report appears that Bear coaches and players say that Fields was not a great locker room guy, which supports comment A above. Tempo ignores report and criticizes the number of The Twotter followers of whoever aggregated the original report and of the person posting it here. 

C. Tempo now claims he never had any animus towards Williams despite being called out by name on a podcast.

Just another day at HQ2.

Holy shit that’s funny. And not in the ways PAMan thinks.
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« Reply #635 on: May 20, 2024, 04:46:21 PM »
Holy shit that’s funny. And not in the ways PAMan thinks.

Wut?

I will throw in some more Tempoisms: Explain. Tell me where I am wrong.....
Mark Carman: "The Whitlock!...Caleb Williams failed Wayne Whitlock." Been told I need to take my dick out my mouth so maybe I "wont [sic] sound like such a fucking faggot all the time[.]"

Tempo: "PAMan is a pot stirrer and agent provocateur"

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« Reply #636 on: May 20, 2024, 04:58:40 PM »
I’m on record as saying I didn’t watch much of his tape or see much of his play. But “struggles to play on time, is better off script, and fumbles too much” is an exact description of  Justin Fields. And those were widely accepted profile reports of Caleb.

What is “wildly stretchy” is how much you think I hate Caleb Williams. Will some of the things I expressed concern about not be problems? Sure, that’s probably likely. But I’ll never apologize for placing the Bears future franchise quarterback under the microscope. I’d rather be guilty of that than just naively believing he’s absolutely the hunky doriest off-field prospect ever. I’ll never apologize for poking holes into the #1 overall pick of the Bears profile.

Anyone who says 'struggles to play on time' hasn't seen much of him.  Not worried about that at all really (and, since I know you put a ton of stock into what a QB's teammates say, his teammates seem to glow about his ability to do that and anticipate!).  He is notably better and more willing as a passer - keeps his eyes upfield.  If there's anything I'm worried about with Caleb it's the potential to get into hero-ball mode and force throws, but that wasn't really a huge issue with Fields.  Fields simply was not ever a good passer.  Was far more electric with his legs than I expect Caleb to be - Caleb makes crazy escapes like Fields does, but doesn't tend to get a bunch of rush yards out of them.

I don't think you hate him.  I think you've been extraordinarily unfair to him for months, but as I've said over and over that I recognize that it's not really about him.  it's about the weird obsession with Fields.

LOL!  Not going to apologize for putting the Bears' franchise QB under a microscope.  I really, really hope that was meant to make me laugh, because if you typed that out earnestly and hit 'send', I've somehow been OVER estimating your self-awareness.

No one's asking you to apologize for that, but you just spent three years ensuring that NO criticism about the Bears' "franchise QB" ever go unchallenged or acknowledged without blaming literally anyone else in the guy's vicinity - and it wasn't stupid shit like "his car's too nice" or "he said something on social media", it was actual on-field "he is playing poorly" shit.  You got angry with me when I complimented the Bears' franchise QB's top WR, because complimenting his teammate was the same as criticizing him to you.  It was legitimately insane, delusional shit and now you want us all to just forget it ever happened and pretend you were totally reasonable about that.
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« Reply #637 on: May 20, 2024, 05:01:14 PM »
That’s a lie. No doubt I was eager to spread blame, but I can promise you I didn’t go an entire season without pointing out a bad play or something in that vane about Justin. Again, talk about wildly stretchy. There were plenty of times Justin made a bad play or held the ball too long. I specifically remember a back and forth with JudgeJudy where I was imploring Fields to “throw it!”

You can definitely label me a Fields apologist without stretching the truth. I own it.

I remember once, after one of the bad games, you said "he wasn't perfect today, or even Hall of Fame level".  You may have said "he needs to be better" a couple times over a year.  That was about as harsh as I saw you be, no matter how bad he was (and he certainly wasn't very good this year!).

And you defended him vehemently from such harsh criticisms as (after a good play, then a bad play): "that was the good and the bad of Fields on back-to-back plays", and (after DJ made an amazing catch): "Great catch by DJ".

Calling you an 'apologist' sells it short.  You took great offense to things that were not even remotely construable as criticisms of Fields.  You went to absurd lengths to defend things and blame literally anyone else for his play when in truth, he just played poorly.  I've legit never seen a player in any sport be as teflon with some weird subset of fans as Fields was last year.  Truly one of the oddest things I've ever seen in sports.
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Re: Other NFL teams/games 2024
« Reply #638 on: May 20, 2024, 05:04:56 PM »
He got that added support because what they had wasn’t good enough. For anyone…

And because they had the assets to get them, in large part because Fields was not very good.

They got Caleb and DJ because Fields led the worst team in the NFL.  They got Odunze because the next year, after the Bears got him a top WR, Fields led a bottom-10 team in the NFL.

Was he the only problem on those teams?  God no, of course not, but if he was a really good QB the Bears probably don't have a shot at any of those guys.

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« Reply #639 on: May 20, 2024, 05:10:44 PM »
“Dozens.” Lol talk about wildly stretchy.

Yes.  Your complaints - dozens, easily - have been wildly stretchy extremely consistently.

But again, it's not really about Caleb.  It's because you had an extremely odd parasocial obsession with the last guy and made defending him from any criticism, no matter how legitimate, part of your online personality in a really weird way.

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« Reply #640 on: May 20, 2024, 05:12:53 PM »
“Insane defensiveness of Fields.” This is how dug into his own take Spark has become. When some legitimate NFL minds said they’d keep Fields, and there was a huge chorus of “we want Fields!” from Bears fans after his last home game. Any opinion that differs from Spark’s is clearly “insane.”

Nope, certainly not, but if you're so defensive that you interpret someone saying "great catch from DJ" as a harsh criticism of the QB then you've obviously gone a good ways down the insanity rabbit hole.

Those fans who chanted that were hilarious.  What a truly odd thing.  Legit never seen anything like it in sports.  Imagine people chanting "We Want Mitch!" in his last home game at Soldier Field - and Mitch actually had some success in Chicago.

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« Reply #641 on: May 20, 2024, 05:15:04 PM »
Did my attachment to Justin Fields add to my desire to poke holes into Caleb Williams? Most likely. But then I’m capable of being admitting my biases. Not sure others are around here.

You're a parody.  Have to be.  No one on Earth has this little self-awareness.

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« Reply #642 on: May 20, 2024, 05:16:13 PM »
But again, I avoided the low-hanging fruit of “cries to mommy and paints nails.” I scrutinized actual areas I (potentially) saw concern.

Yes, actual areas of concern like, uh, "drives too nice a car", "went to a golf tournament after telling the Bears he'd do the medical exam at their visit", "said something about haters on a social media video".

You obviously did an amazing job of 'avoiding the low-hanging fruit' and sticking to the important things, hahahahahaha

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« Reply #643 on: May 20, 2024, 05:20:24 PM »
This is great.

A.  Fields whines about being coached during the season. Tempo makes excuses and obfuscates for Fields in response.

B.  Report appears that Bear coaches and players say that Fields was not a great locker room guy, which supports comment A above. Tempo ignores report and criticizes the number of The Twotter followers of whoever aggregated the original report and of the person posting it here. 

C. Tempo now claims he never had any animus towards Williams despite being called out by name on a podcast.

Just another day at HQ2.

A. I’ll concede there may have been more to this than I’ve been willing to acknowledge; but IMO it’s still far from an all-out damning moment for Fields. Getsy deserved to be called out at that time. He was absolutely part of the problem. I haven’t heard or talked to one person who thinks his play-calling was at all creative, inspired and not way too predictable. No one was a fan of Getsy, unless you love Darnell Mooney blocking Myles Garrett one one one on the edge; and surely Tampa won’t see that 3rd screen pass in a row coming!

B. The guy who famously calls out any and every source that he doesn’t agree with as having no credibility is now willing to lend complete credibility to some guy he’s (we’ve) never even heard of. How convenient.

C. Nice use of the Adam Hoge meme.
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« Reply #644 on: May 20, 2024, 05:23:12 PM »
The only person white-knighting for Caleb more than Spark was Adam Hoge.
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