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Re: Other NFL teams/games 2024
« Reply #225 on: January 22, 2024, 11:00:20 AM »
Matt Stafford has 10 separate seasons that would break the Bears’ single season passing yardage record, 5 that would break the passing TD record, and 3 that would break the completion percentage record.

If you think Caleb Williams is Matt Stafford you gotta move Fields ASAP.
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« Reply #226 on: January 22, 2024, 11:01:08 AM »
Quote from: Fields First Fan on January 22, 2024, 10:56:47 AM
Yes, they traded him for a QB who was unable to “elevate” his franchise, despite having arguably the greatest receiver of all-time.

I simply cannot believe you’re arguing to keep Fields on the grounds that what if you spend the top pick on a QB and he turns out to be Goff or Matt Stafford.  Jesus hahahahaha
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« Reply #227 on: January 22, 2024, 11:01:35 AM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on January 22, 2024, 10:57:05 AM
Yes if the Bears drafted a QB at 1.01 and got the years that Stafford produced in Detroit the only debate would be whether to cast his Soldier Field statue in bronze or copper.  He’d be the best QB we have ever had and it wouldn’t be remotely close.

If you’re scared of spending a top pick on a QB because he might be Matt Stafford I don’t even know what to say to that.

So what’s more important? Putting up stats, or “elevating” those around him. Because Matthew Stafford has never won a playoff game outside of the Rams SB year. He had a career losing record with the Lions.

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« Reply #228 on: January 22, 2024, 11:03:17 AM »
Quote from: Fields First Fan on January 22, 2024, 10:55:45 AM
Probably. And he still wasn’t good enough for the Rams, and we’d still be bitching that he can’t play in the elements.

So he was better than anyone we’ve ever had including Fields.. the Rams decided even that wasn’t good enough so they moved on from him.. and they won the Super Bowl.

Now he’s with a different team and has another shot to make it to another Super Bowl next weekend….

And your take is that all means we should keep Fields and not take the risk?  Just does not follow.
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« Reply #229 on: January 22, 2024, 11:04:07 AM »
Quote from: Fields First Fan on January 22, 2024, 11:01:35 AM
So what’s more important? Putting up stats, or “elevating” those around him. Because Matthew Stafford has never won a playoff game outside of the Rams SB year. He had a career losing record with the Lions.

And win/loss record is a QB stat?  Are you sure you want to make that argument?

He’s led one of the most productive offenses pretty consistently for a decade or more.  If you have a chance to take a young Matt Stafford you better do it 10/10 times.
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« Reply #230 on: January 22, 2024, 11:04:15 AM »
By my count, Stafford was 71-86 with the Lions. Build the statue now.
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« Reply #231 on: January 22, 2024, 11:05:07 AM »
Quote from: Fields First Fan on January 22, 2024, 11:04:15 AM
By my count, Stafford was 71-86 with the Lions. Build the statue now.

You’re arguing he wouldn’t be good enough to move on from Fields for - what’s Fields’ record?
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« Reply #232 on: January 22, 2024, 11:06:16 AM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on January 22, 2024, 11:04:07 AM
And win/loss record is a QB stat?  Are you sure you want to make that argument?

He’s led one of the most productive offenses pretty consistently for a decade or more.  If you have a chance to take a young Matt Stafford you better do it 10/10 times.

They are not directly a quarterback stat, but I’ve been told the job of the quarterback is to elevate those around him and win playoff games. He did neither in Detroit. Matthew Stafford is fine if you have a super team around him like the Rams did in 2021.
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« Reply #233 on: January 22, 2024, 11:06:59 AM »
I’m okay with counting win/loss record against a QB as long as it counts for/against every QB.

I’ve typically tried to keep it out of my arguments Re:Fields because I don’t think that’s super fair to him, but if W/L is a QB stat then you absolutely have to move on from him.
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« Reply #234 on: January 22, 2024, 11:07:47 AM »
What has Matthew Stafford ever done without a “super team” besides put up stats. Nothing. He’s basically the Carmelo Anthony of the NFL.
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« Reply #235 on: January 22, 2024, 11:08:34 AM »
Quote from: Fields First Fan on January 22, 2024, 11:06:16 AM
They are not directly a quarterback stat, but I’ve been told the job of the quarterback is to elevate those around him and win playoff games. He did neither in Detroit. Matthew Stafford is fine if you have a super team around him like the Rams did in 2021.

Does a QB’s W/L record count against him?

I have typically believed the answer is mostly “no” which is why I haven’t used that argument with Fields very often, but if it does then the Fields decision is super easy.

Matt Stafford won the same number of games in year 3 in Detroit as Fields has in 38 starts.
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« Reply #236 on: January 22, 2024, 11:09:17 AM »
Quote from: Fields First Fan on January 22, 2024, 11:07:47 AM
What has Matthew Stafford ever done without a “super team” besides put up stats. Nothing. He’s basically the Carmello Anthony of the NFL.

What has Justin Fields ever done, period?  He hasn’t won OR put up productive numbers, and yet you think it would be stupid to move on from him.

Why are the standards so different?
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« Reply #237 on: January 22, 2024, 11:10:40 AM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on January 22, 2024, 11:06:59 AM
I’m okay with counting win/loss record against a QB as long as it counts for/against every QB.

I’ve typically tried to keep it out of my arguments Re:Fields because I don’t think that’s super fair to him, but if W/L is a QB stat then you absolutely have to move on from him.

So you’re ok counting losses against Fields in a year in which they were actively tanking in his 2nd year. Sounds fair.
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« Reply #238 on: January 22, 2024, 11:12:00 AM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on January 22, 2024, 11:09:17 AM
What has Justin Fields ever done, period?  He hasn’t won OR put up productive numbers, and yet you think it would be stupid to move on from him.

Why are the standards so different?

Survived Nagy, a tank, and Luke Getsy to still be considered a valuable commodity.
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« Reply #239 on: January 22, 2024, 11:13:10 AM »
Quote from: Fields First Fan on January 22, 2024, 11:10:40 AM
So you’re ok counting losses against Fields in a year in which they were actively tanking in his 2nd year. Sounds fair.

I think if you count the losses against Stafford you should count them against Fields too.  I’m okay with counting them or not counting them, but counting W/L record for some QBs and not for others is obviously stupid.  The consistency is what’s important.  So I’ll let you pick - does a QB’s W/L record count for/against him or doesn’t it?
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