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Re: 2024 Chicago Bears
« Reply #930 on: April 09, 2024, 03:40:12 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on April 09, 2024, 02:46:05 PM
It didn’t “change” anything. I was merely highlighting the important part. The part where you made sure you referenced and highlighted Fields’ turnovers and the offenses’ struggles in particular but never said the word “defense.” Even in “sharing the blame,” you went out of your way to highlight Fields and “his” offense. That’s the point.

The defense, which you’d already mentioned also melted down, was also an “important part”.  You were playing Fields Protection Agency as you consistently have for a long time now.  Even if I’m agreeing with you, you will chop out any part other than the parts that acknowledge poor play by Fields and pretend that’s all I said to act like I’m being unfair.  It’s absurd.
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Re: 2024 Chicago Bears
« Reply #931 on: April 09, 2024, 03:41:18 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on April 09, 2024, 02:43:29 PM
This is a blatant troll. By you.

No it isn't.  It is an illustrative example of actual trolling because it appears some are unaware of what trolling actually is.

Saying Fields sucks in a Bear thread talking about Bear QB play is not trolling.

Saying some dumbassed shit about medicals because a potential draft pick is at a golf tourney is trolling. Hoge and your fellow RedDitors appear to agree and called you out on it.

But I'm the problem; not the guy who trolls across multiple message boards.
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Re: 2024 Chicago Bears
« Reply #932 on: April 09, 2024, 03:41:50 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on April 09, 2024, 02:50:52 PM
You were busy “spreading the blame,” why wouldn’t you have mentioned the Fields turnovers and offensive struggles particularly? All the while not really mentioning the defense except the use of the phrase “both units.”

Because I was replying to a post that specifically mentioned the defense’s meltdown and not the offense’s, yes.  This isn’t nearly as difficult to figure out as you’re making it seem but the defensiveness is unlike anything I’ve ever seen in sports.
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« Reply #933 on: April 09, 2024, 03:46:45 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on April 09, 2024, 02:56:10 PM
Spark, let’s get past that nonsense. Can you at least go as far as to say that Fields was given a pretty raw deal here (and hey, sometimes things aren’t “fair.”)? Are you able to agree to that? That would be progress IMO.

As I’ve consistently said, he was by no means in a great situation.

You oversell that by a LOT and make sure you shield him from ANY criticism with 100% consistency - even when the criticism is something like “nice catch by DJ Moore”.  You literally got defensive this season when I said that.  You got defensive when I complimented him one play and then a couple plays later said “the good and the bad of Fields back to back”.  Not one single time did someone criticize him and you didn’t make an excuse or pretend any criticism is unfair all season.

I’ve never said or acted like he was on some amazing roster, but very few QBs end up in perfect situations and a lot of them have been much better than Fields anyway.  All last year I was trying to get you to at least acknowledge that Fields himself was playing poorly and it wasn’t JUST because of everyone else around him that he wasn’t very good, but you consistently could not (and still cannot) do that.
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Re: 2024 Chicago Bears
« Reply #934 on: April 09, 2024, 04:28:33 PM »
Lol
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« Reply #935 on: April 09, 2024, 04:29:06 PM »
Not true, but ok.
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« Reply #936 on: April 09, 2024, 04:32:26 PM »
And not one time to my recollection, did any of you go out of your way to blame anyone but Fields for his fortunes. “It was an unbelievable play to even have a chance to catch that Hail Mary!”

Did you make any effort to fault Tonyan or Scott for failing to make routine plays that probably would have won them the game in two losses?

Yes, I have been defensive about Fields; I will own that. But that’s because no one here blames anyone else EVER for his/the Bears struggles.

I can’t think of a single time you’ve blamed anyone other than Fields for anything bad that happened. If I’m wrong, point it out.
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Re: 2024 Chicago Bears
« Reply #937 on: April 09, 2024, 04:42:06 PM »
I would argue my defensiveness stems from the complete lack of shared blame by anyone on this forum.

I never hear anyone say how other players failed in critical situations or that they need to step it up. I only hear Fields can’t get it done, especially in the 4th quarter. There were literally like 3 losses this year where people said Eberflus played a direct role. Cleveland for one, a game in which multiple people failed Justin  but all I hear is about how bad he was.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #938 on: April 09, 2024, 04:44:08 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on April 09, 2024, 04:32:26 PM
And not one time to my recollection, did any of you go out of your way to blame anyone but Fields for his fortunes. “It was an unbelievable play to even have a chance to catch that Hail Mary!”

Did you make any effort to fault Tonyan or Scott for failing to make routine plays that probably would have won them the game in two losses?

Yes, I have been defensive about Fields; I will own that. But that’s because no one here blames anyone else EVER for his/the Bears struggles.

I can’t think of a single time you’ve blamed anyone other than Fields for anything bad that happened. If I’m wrong, point it out.

Well, it WAS a great play for Mooney to have a chance at the tipped Hail Mary.  That’s just factual, as the replays show.  And if you’ve got to hang your hat on a tipped Hail Mary that a dude didn’t make a fantastic play on, there just isn’t much to hang it on.

Of course it’s not Fields’ fault that Tonyan dropped the ball, nor did I ever say it was.  I’m not the dude that blames everyone else for someone’s failure, that’s your thing.  Every team has guys drop balls, though - some even quite a bit more often than the Bears - and I don't think a few drops are excuses for those teams or QBs either.  The team with the worst drop rate in the league won the Super Bowl.

It’s his fault when HE plays badly, and the other peoples’ faults when THEY play badly. It’s not like some complicated idea.

I’ve never blamed anyone else for Fields’ failures, nor have I blamed Fields for anybody else’s failures.  I think when a player fucks up it’s their fault.  You’ve made it extremely clear that when Fields fucks up, you think it’s actually Cole Kmet or the OL or Darnell Mooney or Luke Getsy’s fault, just never Fields’.  Every time.

In an extremely mediocre season I was far more complimentary of Fields when he played well than you were critical when he played poorly (it isn't remotely close), and yet it's actually MY fault that you act that way.
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« Reply #939 on: April 09, 2024, 04:44:49 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on April 09, 2024, 04:42:06 PM
I would argue my defensiveness stems from the complete lack of shared blame by anyone on this forum.

I never hear anyone say how other players failed in critical situations or that they need to step it up. I only hear Fields can’t get it done, especially in the 4th quarter. There were literally like 3 losses this year where people said Eberflus played a direct role. Cleveland for one, a game in which multiple people failed Justin  but all I hear is about how bad he was.

Oh, your ridiculous behavior is someone else’s fault?  Shocks me you’d say that.
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« Reply #940 on: April 09, 2024, 04:47:02 PM »
Every visiting quarterback who played in Cleveland was awful this year. Justin’s stats were probably the best believe it or not, and should have been quite a bit better if not for drops and bogus INTs.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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Re: 2024 Chicago Bears
« Reply #941 on: April 09, 2024, 04:47:43 PM »
Yes, no one ever complained about Eberlose, Getsy, the O line not giving Sh1t QB1 an hour to throw, the D line not getting pressure,  Eddie Jackson, etc.
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« Reply #942 on: April 09, 2024, 04:48:23 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on April 09, 2024, 04:44:49 PM
Oh, your ridiculous behavior is someone else’s fault?  Shocks me you’d say that.

Jesus, you really have become PAMan Jr. So you deny what I said? You think other players here were critiqued anywhere near to the degree Justin was?
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Re: 2024 Chicago Bears
« Reply #943 on: April 09, 2024, 04:50:10 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on April 09, 2024, 04:42:06 PM
a game in which multiple people failed Justin

Good lord. And you wonder why people refer to you goofs as a cult?
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« Reply #944 on: April 09, 2024, 04:51:35 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on April 09, 2024, 04:48:23 PM
Jesus, you really have become PAMan Jr. So you deny what I said? You think other players here were critiqued anywhere near to the degree Justin was?

I can't speak for PAMan, but when someone fucked up I blamed them (including Fields, Getsy, Tonyan, etc.) and not everyone around them.

You didn't do that, but only for one player - everyone got their blame EXCEPT the quarterback, in every situation, all season.
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