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Re: Economies
« Reply #61 on: February 02, 2024, 12:19:20 PM »
So has Murph...

I know it’s a symbolic thing he’s doing, but egg consumption per capita peaked in 2019, fell off during the pandemic, then rose steadily as we came out of it.

Demand for eggs grew in 2023 despite record high prices during a good chunk of the year.

Hotels, resorts, cruise ships, restaurants go through a LOT of eggs.
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Re: Economies
« Reply #62 on: February 02, 2024, 12:29:58 PM »
I’ve covered this multiple times
Yet you still don't understand inelastic demand. I mean, I'm an engineer but I did take Econ 101 with Gottheil. He explained it pretty well - guess you were sleeping in instead of at Foellinger.

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Re: Economies
« Reply #63 on: February 02, 2024, 12:38:32 PM »
I know it’s a symbolic thing he’s doing, but egg consumption per capita peaked in 2019, fell off during the pandemic, then rose steadily as we came out of it.

Demand for eggs grew in 2023 despite record high prices during a good chunk of the year.

Hotels, resorts, cruise ships, restaurants go through a LOT of eggs.

That consumption fall was *because of a reduction in supply* - not because of demand. It doesn't matter how much money you have - you can't eat eggs that don't exist. Starts to feel like you are of the same ilk as these bitcoin dopes - if we all buy bitcoin we'll all be rich, and we can all retire and take vacations to Hawaii - neglecting the fact that all the pilots and airport workers and hotel workers have retired as well.

When the avian flu cratered production *depite* the inelastic demand, that curve had to break and prices went up. Flocks have been rebuilt and prices are dropping rapidly. So yes, we are eating more eggs now (despite my joke and despite inelastic demand) simply because there are more eggs in existence. Producers cannot hold prices up because they had risen to the point where some people were simply forced to make substitutions  - but given there is demand at a lower price point that is still profitable, producers are filling the void now that the flu has abated.

I eat eggs at restaurants.  This may shock you but I also eat eggs at home.

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Re: Economies
« Reply #64 on: February 02, 2024, 01:31:17 PM »
That consumption fall was *because of a reduction in supply* - not because of demand. It doesn't matter how much money you have - you can't eat eggs that don't exist. Starts to feel like you are of the same ilk as these bitcoin dopes - if we all buy bitcoin we'll all be rich, and we can all retire and take vacations to Hawaii - neglecting the fact that all the pilots and airport workers and hotel workers have retired as well.

When the avian flu cratered production *depite* the inelastic demand, that curve had to break and prices went up. Flocks have been rebuilt and prices are dropping rapidly. So yes, we are eating more eggs now (despite my joke and despite inelastic demand) simply because there are more eggs in existence. Producers cannot hold prices up because they had risen to the point where some people were simply forced to make substitutions  - but given there is demand at a lower price point that is still profitable, producers are filling the void now that the flu has abated.

I eat eggs at restaurants.  This may shock you but I also eat eggs at home.

What about green eggs and ham?
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Re: Economies
« Reply #65 on: February 02, 2024, 02:41:57 PM »
The demand isn’t truly inelastic.

There weren’t eggs in the spring of 2020 because people were panic buying. Prices spiked because producers couldn’t keep up.

https://www.axios.com/2020/03/28/retail-egg-shortage-coronavirus

In April of that year the FDA issued guidance to egg producers that eased restrictions on selling to end markets to combat the shortage at retail.

https://www.fda.gov/media/136732/download#:~:text=According%20to%20the%20egg%20industry,in%20the%20table%20egg%20market

Demand eventually cratered because the panic subsided and schools and cruise ships and hotels and resorts weren’t burning through them (and throwing 1/3 of them away) like usual. People waste far less food preparing it at home.

Historically speaking, a *lot* fewer eggs were consumed in the US in 2020, and Avian flu didn’t happen until last year. Despite that, more eggs were consumed in 2023 than 2020.
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Re: Economies
« Reply #66 on: February 02, 2024, 02:43:07 PM »
Eggs are a shitty example anyways.

Beef and home prices more indicative of what people can cash flow.

Eggs and pork and chicken are still dirt cheap. Beef is high and has been high because people will pay up for it. Supply is tight, but demand has been high.
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Re: Economies
« Reply #67 on: February 02, 2024, 02:51:26 PM »
Custard now trusting Axios and The FDA....good thing Judge Judy is under anesthesia right now.
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Re: Economies
« Reply #68 on: February 02, 2024, 03:10:37 PM »
It’s part of being outed as a champagne liberal. Or is it Champaign?
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Re: Economies
« Reply #69 on: February 02, 2024, 06:00:32 PM »
Fed studies have shown little or no link between deficits and inflation.

The post pandemic inflation was most certainly largely a transitory supply driven issue.

Part of was wage inflation. People getting 18 bucks an hour to do unskilled labor has an impact that isn't going away.

There is a strange  notion that the supply demand curve affects money; that printing more of it decreases its value; the way increasing oil production reduces the price.

Yes, it can increase demand, but the alternative is always worse.  We don't use QE in the midst of robust economic growth.

The only reason to whine about post pandemic inflation is to blame Biden. The small amount of inflation attributable to stimuli was far better than serious deflation.
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Re: Economies
« Reply #70 on: February 02, 2024, 06:09:45 PM »

I eat eggs at restaurants.  This may shock you but I also eat eggs at home.

You're going to need statins. 
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Re: Economies
« Reply #71 on: February 02, 2024, 06:10:48 PM »
What about green eggs and ham?

I needed that.
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Re: Economies
« Reply #72 on: February 02, 2024, 10:15:21 PM »
You're going to need statins.

My bloodwork is pretty much perfect. I don't eat any form of added sugar, that pretty much will do it.

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Re: Economies
« Reply #73 on: February 03, 2024, 11:34:22 AM »
The “science” on dietary cholesterol has changed dramatically since the 80s
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Re: Economies
« Reply #74 on: February 03, 2024, 12:04:37 PM »
The “science” on dietary cholesterol has changed dramatically since the 80s

Yes and no. Might be enough to stay away from trans fat. Still, a diet high in ldl is not recommended.
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