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TSJ suspended charged with rape

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Re: TSJ suspended charged with rape
« Reply #585 on: January 23, 2024, 02:48:29 PM »
How about following your own fucking policies. It really is not that tough, except for the people in Champaign, apparently.

and about most of our government, our social media outlets, our major corporations.....just about covers it...
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Re: TSJ suspended charged with rape
« Reply #586 on: January 23, 2024, 02:51:34 PM »
This is correct. But she also held

Granted, no judge is going to weigh that he needs to play x minutes versus y minutes. But playing no minutes might lead to contempt of court finding absent a good explanation other than "Fuck you, judge." Brad Underwood does not want to have to deal with that shit.

Understood, and I would guess that Brad is more than willing to play him. And sure, I would imagine that he doesn't want to deal with any contempt possibilities.

With that being said, if Brad wanted to not play him, I still think it should be up to him. I don't think any court should have jurisdiction over a coach and how he chooses to handle his team on a given game day. The player is available. Brad should have full control on how he decides to deal with it.
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« Reply #587 on: January 23, 2024, 02:51:42 PM »
Well, then that's a lawsuit that Brad should fight, and win.

I'm all for players having more control, and getting paid, and etc. But ultimately, a coach should have total control over who he chooses to play in a game. If he doesn't want to play TSJ, he shouldn't have to. If he doesn't want to play Coleman Hawkins, he shouldn't have to.

I agree with you, but I also would’ve thought that if Whitman wanted to suspend TSJ from basketball without some OSCR trial for missing practice or fighting a teammate or smoking weed or being late to the team bus he should be able to, but a federal judge declared that that unfairly hurts his value.  Refusing to play him accomplishes the same thing.
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Re: TSJ suspended charged with rape
« Reply #588 on: January 23, 2024, 02:53:22 PM »
and about most of our government, our social media outlets, our major corporations.....just about covers it...

Most of our government has unions to handle this shit. I'd say that major corporations have dealt with this shit for so long they probably have it down. Always exceptions.

Media? Cannot even fathom a guess.
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« Reply #589 on: January 23, 2024, 02:53:30 PM »
The judge said he shouldn't be suspended. That doesn't mandate actual playing time, granted by the coach.

The judge said suspending him without essentially holding a trial for him unfairly hurt his value because he is an NBA prospect.  She even cited the fact that a lot of the games remaining are on national TV.

Refusing to play him is open defiance of her order.

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« Reply #590 on: January 23, 2024, 02:54:02 PM »
It seems like there has to be a property or liberty interest before being deprived sans due process causes irreparable harm without other legal recourses?

Some kid with zero athletic talent or basketball skills can't sue claiming he is being denied his right to play ball. Well, he can, but he'll lose.
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Re: TSJ suspended charged with rape
« Reply #591 on: January 23, 2024, 02:54:16 PM »
Understood, and I would guess that Brad is more than willing to play him. And sure, I would imagine that he doesn't want to deal with any contempt possibilities.

With that being said, if Brad wanted to not play him, I still think it should be up to him. I don't think any court should have jurisdiction over a coach and how he chooses to handle his team on a given game day. The player is available. Brad should have full control on how he decides to deal with it.

If Brad can explain why he is doing it, that has nothing to do with those above his pay scale fucking this up, have at it.
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« Reply #592 on: January 23, 2024, 02:54:30 PM »
I mean, what the fuck is next. Suppose some player gets pissed at the amount he's playing and decides to run to a judge and bitch about it? Can a judge then come back and say, "Brad, you need to play Dick Assman a minimum of 20 minutes per game for the next 5 games to give this individual a chance to maximize his earning potential."

What the fuck are we doing here.
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Re: TSJ suspended charged with rape
« Reply #593 on: January 23, 2024, 02:55:43 PM »
It seems like there has to be a property or liberty interest before being deprived sans due process causes irreparable harm without other legal recourses?

Some kid with zero athletic talent or basketball skills can't sue claiming he is being denied his right to play ball. Well, he can, but he'll lose.

Nichi, they have a policy. They failed to follow it. Look at the ROTC kid at Purdue. It is the case she relied upon.
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« Reply #594 on: January 23, 2024, 02:56:05 PM »
The judge said suspending him without essentially holding a trial for him unfairly hurt his value because he is an NBA prospect.  She even cited the fact that a lot of the games remaining are on national TV.

Refusing to play him is open defiance of her order.

I suppose. But Brad should have control over how he runs games. It's his fucking job.

I think he would be crazy not to play him. But if he doesn't want to, he shouldn't have to.
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« Reply #595 on: January 23, 2024, 02:57:01 PM »
I mean, what the fuck is next. Suppose some player gets pissed at the amount he's playing and decides to run to a judge and bitch about it? Can a judge then come back and say, "Brad, you need to play Dick Assman a minimum of 20 minutes per game for the next 5 games to give this individual a chance to maximize his earning potential."

What the fuck are we doing here.

I agree with you, but it doesn’t matter what I think.

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« Reply #596 on: January 23, 2024, 02:57:30 PM »
I mean, what the fuck is next. Suppose some player gets pissed at the amount he's playing and decides to run to a judge and bitch about it? Can a judge then come back and say, "Brad, you need to play Dick Assman a minimum of 20 minutes per game for the next 5 games to give this individual a chance to maximize his earning potential."

What the fuck are we doing here.

The reason is why he isn't playing. Shannon was not playing because he was suspended for nothing to do with basketball. Illinois has fucking rules. They are printed in a book. They failed to follow them despite shithead Guenther Jr. waxing poetic about them in his press conference. They follow the rules, Shannon has no bitch.
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« Reply #597 on: January 23, 2024, 02:59:23 PM »
I agree with you, but it doesn’t matter what I think.

Yeah, it doesn't matter what any of us think, lol. It's definitely a tricky situation. And it didn't help that shit apparently wasn't handled correctly from the jump here.
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« Reply #598 on: January 23, 2024, 03:00:37 PM »
The reason is why he isn't playing. Shannon was not playing because he was suspended for nothing to do with basketball. Illinois has fucking rules. They are printed in a book. They failed to follow them despite shithead Guenther Jr. waxing poetic about them in his press conference. They follow the rules, Shannon has no bitch.

I understand that part. It's a clusterfuck for sure.
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« Reply #599 on: January 23, 2024, 03:15:07 PM »
I understand that part. It's a clusterfuck for sure.

Yep
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