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TSJ suspended charged with rape

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Re: TSJ suspended charged with rape
« Reply #495 on: January 20, 2024, 10:17:58 AM »
If he gets a disciplinary hearing and wins against a lower burden of proof but is convicted of of sexual battery it's going to make the university look utterly terrible.

The people adjudicating the hearing will know this.

It does not matter. You still have to offer him a hearing.
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Re: TSJ suspended charged with rape
« Reply #496 on: January 20, 2024, 10:26:47 AM »
To your point,  and Custard's, I listened to Bob from IlliniBoard's podcast to some The Twittsr lawyer who apparently has been all over this. He addressed that Shannon was in quite the unique spot from many other athletes with NIL, real NBA aspirational,  etc. He is not some bench guy or college fencer.

I think this is a questionable argument to make. DGL has NBA aspirations and gets NIL, and is a bench guy.
I seem to recall a guy named Podz who any player could point to as a case in point.He was sitting on the end of bench and 14 months later was a millionaire playing with Steph Curry.

This all sets a strange precedent.

I would also say that if this was Sencire Harris and not TSj the fanbase and media would have not paid any attention to it after one weekend. 

As to convening another disciplinary hearing, the dilemma raised for UI whether to have one now, and no matter what they adjudicate is real.
I would also say doing nothing and UW puts him on the court tomorrow or Wednesday vs NU, will also create some issues, but not sure the extent.

NU crowd is creative. but not hostile or particularly social advocacy engaged like Iowa City or Madison.
Chicago media will no doubt have some commentary.

Bottom line will be whether you believe the matter is unfounded or fabricated-  UI will have a player on the court representing the university who presently is awaiting trial on felony rape charges.
Where is school allowed to draw the line? If the standard is they can play if they are out on bond and innocent until proven guilty then anything goes.
What if it was child porn on an athlete's computer he was allegedly found filming and distributing?
Manslaughter from say crashing into a crowd while drunk?


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We will see what happens.



 
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Re: TSJ suspended charged with rape
« Reply #497 on: January 20, 2024, 10:32:54 AM »
He anticipated that he would either or was going to be soon. There is no way that was not reported up the chain. If that was not reported up the chain, that is incompetence.
Do you know that it could be reported up the chain ?
I don't.

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Re: TSJ suspended charged with rape
« Reply #498 on: January 20, 2024, 11:00:32 AM »
Do you know that it could be reported up the chain ?
I don't.

Then you choose "incompetent" as your answer. We all heard what Gunther Jr. claimed regarding what they knew and when they knew it.
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Re: TSJ suspended charged with rape
« Reply #499 on: January 20, 2024, 11:46:52 AM »
If he gets a disciplinary hearing and loses against a lower burden of proof and is acquitted of sexual battery it's going to make the university look terrible.

The people adjudicating the hearing should understand this.
What you typed is entirely consistent. Winning criminal and losing a civil on the same subject is the OJ fact pattern.

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Re: TSJ suspended charged with rape
« Reply #500 on: January 20, 2024, 11:49:38 AM »
Then you choose "incompetent" as your answer. We all heard what Gunther Jr. claimed regarding what they knew and when they knew it.
Seems like he was praying it would go away so they wouldn't have to deal with the exact position that the university now finds itself.

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Re: TSJ suspended charged with rape
« Reply #501 on: January 20, 2024, 12:35:37 PM »
Seems like he was praying it would go away so they wouldn't have to deal with the exact position that the university now finds itself.

Yep. Tough position to be in.
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Re: TSJ suspended charged with rape
« Reply #502 on: January 20, 2024, 02:03:19 PM »
They could a) appeal to the 7th Circuit, b) proceed with the preliminary injunction hearing in 10 days or so (generally how long a TRO lasts) and/or c)) restart the disciplinary process by giving TSJ the opportunity to defend himself.

The preliminary injunction was already granted, since the UI response was so thorough.  No need for a hearing.
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Re: TSJ suspended charged with rape
« Reply #503 on: January 20, 2024, 03:54:29 PM »
The preliminary injunction was already granted, since the UI response was so thorough.  No need for a hearing.
And the order is in place until lifted or modified.
I would hope the university has no interest in an appeal.

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Re: TSJ suspended charged with rape
« Reply #504 on: January 20, 2024, 04:13:35 PM »
Maybe I’m missing something but it seems some posters here have adopted an attitude of it being TSJ vs UI. Obviously they worked together on this with the goal being reinstatement for TSJ alongside plausible deniability for the U.
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Re: TSJ suspended charged with rape
« Reply #505 on: January 20, 2024, 04:31:10 PM »
Maybe I’m missing something but it seems some posters here have adopted an attitude of it being TSJ vs UI. Obviously they worked together on this with the goal being reinstatement for TSJ alongside plausible deniability for the U.
I think it 's the university against itself. If they would have followed OSCR to begin with Shannon would probably still  be suspended.

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Re: TSJ suspended charged with rape
« Reply #506 on: January 20, 2024, 05:26:02 PM »
I think it 's the university against itself. If they would have followed OSCR to begin with Shannon would probably still  be suspended.

This.

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Re: TSJ suspended charged with rape
« Reply #507 on: January 20, 2024, 05:27:37 PM »
I think it 's the university against itself. If they would have followed OSCR to begin with Shannon would probably still  be suspended.

Do you think they want him suspended?
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Re: TSJ suspended charged with rape
« Reply #508 on: January 20, 2024, 05:47:48 PM »
I don't think so, but they need to be able to have and enforce a code of conduct for student athletes.

I would like to know how many other players in college basketball have had a felony rape charge and still competed while it was in process.

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Re: TSJ suspended charged with rape
« Reply #509 on: January 20, 2024, 07:04:44 PM »
Do you think they want him suspended?
Nope.
But I'm not sure they followed or didn't want to follow the path they should have. If they follow OSCR policy, a judge does not ok the TRO. And Shannon is suspended.
Then Shannon would have to go to court to challenge the university OSCR. I'm sure the university wouldn't relish that but it would probably be a steep hill for Shannon to climb.