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TSJ suspended charged with rape

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Re: TSJ suspended charged with rape
« Reply #255 on: January 04, 2024, 11:47:10 PM »
Quote from: Custard on January 04, 2024, 05:09:34 PM
I cannot imagine a situation where they reinstate him with a pending felony rape charge unless by some miracle they have ironclad proof of his innocence before the court has it.

Not even then.
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Re: TSJ suspended charged with rape
« Reply #256 on: January 05, 2024, 12:09:54 AM »
We all do our bickering, but that’s the entire fun of the place. There’s not a person here I wouldn’t get in the trenches with now that Dom has been banned.
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Re: TSJ suspended charged with rape
« Reply #257 on: January 05, 2024, 12:39:12 AM »
You banned Dom? I find that dude entertaining.
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Re: TSJ suspended charged with rape
« Reply #258 on: January 05, 2024, 01:08:16 AM »
Quote from: Fields First Fan on January 05, 2024, 12:39:12 AM
You banned Dom? I find that dude entertaining.

We all knew that. Not really sure what to think about that but not likely a good thing. 
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Re: TSJ suspended charged with rape
« Reply #259 on: January 05, 2024, 01:28:06 AM »
Quote from: Lkdog on January 05, 2024, 01:08:16 AM
We all knew that. Not really sure what to think about that but not likely a good thing.

To quote another prominent poster here  “it’s just a message board.”
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Re: TSJ suspended charged with rape
« Reply #260 on: January 05, 2024, 07:46:14 AM »
Quote from: Lkdog on January 05, 2024, 01:08:16 AM
We all knew that. Not really sure what to think about that but not likely a good thing.

I think the line is, "Pretty telling, and not in a particularly good way."
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Re: TSJ suspended charged with rape
« Reply #261 on: January 05, 2024, 11:39:51 AM »
Quote from: Fields First Fan on January 05, 2024, 01:28:06 AM
To quote another prominent poster here  “it’s just a message board.”

Yes, but it is not a sanctuary for racists or pedophiles.
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Re: TSJ suspended charged with rape
« Reply #262 on: January 05, 2024, 12:10:05 PM »
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They [legal processes] take a long time. They can take months. In some cases, they can take a year in order for them to reach their full conclusion. The challenge that we have that athletic programs like ours face is what do you do in that interim period? What do you do during that period between when you receive substantiated allegations until a process is concluded through the court of law or through the Office of Student Conflict resolution? And that's really where our policy is designed to live, is in that intermediate period of time. The way we've chosen to approach it through our policy is that upon receiving sufficient triggering information, we will suspend immediately when we're talking about matters of, of serious misconduct, there are no questions asked.

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Once that happens, we then have a student, or I'm sorry, a university conduct panel that is convened and will meet within 48 hours of the initial suspension. That panel exists independent of the athletic department, and it will determine using the information that we have available at that given time, whether that suspension should remain upheld or should be amended or in some cases lifted. All together.
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Re: TSJ suspended charged with rape
« Reply #263 on: January 05, 2024, 12:45:02 PM »
I realize some say due the serious nature of the charges, UI should and will let the legal process play out.

Whitman addressed that.

In the end, it should be about the weight of the evidence; not the seriousness of the charge.

This isn't about the reputation of the University or the success of the basketball team.

Terrence Shannon worked hard to get where he was a little over a week ago. He doesn't have months or a year for the legal process to play out. His time to earn AA honors and improve his draft stock is now.

That is the purpose of the special 3 person panel. Their job is to make a decision based on a preponderance of the available evidence, not the seriousness of the charges.

My coffee grounds tell me they are talking with TSJ's people and a decision is unlikely before the first hearing, barring a surprise. 
There are, no doubt, BTS negotiations going on.

The problem is even pleading to  the lesser charge would mean he is admitting to a misdemeanor sex crime.

I am not sure what the ADA could reduce it to that would allow him to return.

Loitering in a bar on a Sunday afternoon?

Impersonating a football player?

If nothing is resolved in the next 2 weeks, I suspect TSJ's lawyer might start leaking more details to put pressure on some people.

Lots of what ifs ...
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Re: TSJ suspended charged with rape
« Reply #264 on: January 05, 2024, 12:49:25 PM »
Quote from: illiniray on January 05, 2024, 12:45:02 PM

I am not sure what the ADA could reduce it to that would allow him to return.

Loitering in a bar on a Sunday afternoon?

Impersonating a football player?

If nothing is resolved in the next 2 weeks, I suspect TSJ's lawyer might start leaking more details to put pressure on some people.

Lots of what ifs ...

I mean in theory they could get the charges dropped all together if their case isn't solid
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Re: TSJ suspended charged with rape
« Reply #265 on: January 05, 2024, 01:02:52 PM »
Quote from: ILLove1997 on January 05, 2024, 12:49:25 PM
I mean in theory they could get the charges dropped all together if their case isn't solid

True. I am thinking at this point the ADA would want to save face.

From what I gather, the theory on the forcible rape charge might be extremely shakey.

That is likely the reason for the drastically lesser alternative charge. It looks like it just isn't lesser enough for TSJ to plead out on.
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Re: TSJ suspended charged with rape
« Reply #266 on: January 05, 2024, 01:37:56 PM »
What are BTS negotiations??
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Re: TSJ suspended charged with rape
« Reply #267 on: January 05, 2024, 03:11:17 PM »
Behind the scenes, which are all negotiations in this situation.

I think it's illini orange-colored glasses to think a DA in another state would just drop charges.
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Re: TSJ suspended charged with rape
« Reply #268 on: January 08, 2024, 04:46:00 PM »
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