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Illini MENS Hoopers @ Knockersville, TN 12/9 early game!!!!

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illinismitty

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Re: Illini MENS Hoopers @ Knockersville, TN 12/9 early game!!!!
« Reply #90 on: December 09, 2023, 02:54:03 PM »
My son goes to UT and I just got back from the game. The officiating was just terrible, but I’m not quite sure it cost us the game, but it was still frustrating. The UT fans in our section were total fucking redneck Assholes. They were throwing F bombs at us for cheering on our team.  Good thing my son was with me because I had to restrain myself.
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Re: Illini MENS Hoopers @ Knockersville, TN 12/9 early game!!!!
« Reply #91 on: December 09, 2023, 02:58:51 PM »
"If that's what they're gonna give you, we've got good shooters, I'm great with it".- Brad Underwood on 35+ 3pt attempts.

🙄...good luck with that.
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Re: Illini MENS Hoopers @ Knockersville, TN 12/9 early game!!!!
« Reply #92 on: December 09, 2023, 03:02:38 PM »
Quote from: Gokuwearsorange/blue on December 09, 2023, 02:58:51 PM
"If that's what they're gonna give you, we've got good shooters, I'm great with it".- Brad Underwood on 35+ 3pt attempts.

🙄...good luck with that.

The problem is Hawkins had 10 of those attempts. A career 27% from beyond the arc. He should be one the very last people on the roster chucking threes.
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Re: Illini MENS Hoopers @ Knockersville, TN 12/9 early game!!!!
« Reply #93 on: December 09, 2023, 03:06:36 PM »
Quote from: Miles Leonard on December 09, 2023, 03:02:38 PM
The problem is Hawkins had 10 of those attempts. A career 27% from beyond the arc. He should be one the very last people on the roster chucking threes.
There you go. Bad shooter taking that many 3s is not a recipe for success.
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Re: Illini MENS Hoopers @ Knockersville, TN 12/9 early game!!!!
« Reply #94 on: December 09, 2023, 03:30:45 PM »
I still do not like Coleman Hawkins. Probably never will.
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Re: Illini MENS Hoopers @ Knockersville, TN 12/9 early game!!!!
« Reply #95 on: December 09, 2023, 03:35:49 PM »
The game certainly changed after that bullshit flagrant foul.  We didn't rebound well and shot too many 3s.  Free throws and turnovers were good though.  On to the next one.
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Re: Illini MENS Hoopers @ Knockersville, TN 12/9 early game!!!!
« Reply #96 on: December 09, 2023, 03:51:31 PM »
We hung with a team that was home and ranked ahead of us.  The fact that this was actually winnable, is encouraging.  Our team is still figuring some things out and I don't feel we've peaked yet.  Gonna be a fun season.  And yeah, the zebras were second class. 
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Re: Illini MENS Hoopers @ Knockersville, TN 12/9 early game!!!!
« Reply #97 on: December 09, 2023, 04:07:47 PM »
I haven't seen a second of the game but 36 from 3 pops out in the box score, as does giving up 52 pts in the 2nd half. If I saw the 9 turnovers I might think we had a good shot at a win but then I see the getting outrebounded by a bunch and maybe getting beat up in the paint ?

With the does Underwood go or stay with a 1st round exit or a 2nd round exit talk, I prefer to look at the team in game performance. Winning is nice and losing while playing well is something I can live with.

Underwood and his assts must know by now that 25% on 36 attempts is not going to win much, especially with Hawkins putting up double digit 3 pt attempts. He might get hot for a game all season doing it, but the chances of us winning when the team bricks a ton of 3s can't be very good.
Shoot if you're open, we have good shooters needs to be replaced with .....
" Coach, I was open"
Underwood, "why do you think that was?"
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Re: Illini MENS Hoopers @ Knockersville, TN 12/9 early game!!!!
« Reply #98 on: December 09, 2023, 04:14:07 PM »
I don’t mind Hawkins shooting threes but my guess is he shoots 25% better on spot up catch and shoot threes than off the dribble threes.  He needs to cut the second thing completely out of his game.  I get that a guy with his size and skill set who can make that shot consistently is incredibly valuable but a guy who shoots them and doesn’t make them consistently is hurting his team.

He’s still our best defensive player by a lot though.
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Re: Illini MENS Hoopers @ Knockersville, TN 12/9 early game!!!!
« Reply #99 on: December 09, 2023, 06:24:59 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on December 09, 2023, 02:26:21 PM

It's hard to keep driving into the paint when the result is you get hacked without a call and it's a lost possession.

So are 27 missed 3 attempts, the story is the same, the gameplan seems as if nothing has changed, our talent is there. Again, we will not win many games shooting nearly 40 3's.

In the 2005 C-Ship game against UNC we shot I think 40...what was that outcome again?

Yes both of these games were close, but we shot an outrageous amount of 3's in both games. We had a chance to win both, but did we really? Refs were terrible in both of these games and again no adjustments, just keep chucking 3's.

That game the amount of 3's really stood out afterwards, and this game the same. That is the only comparison I am trying to make, same ole same ole against top caliber teams. Not gonna work for us. We have a very good chance to have a very good season, but not if BU stance is take em if that is what is given, C'mon really?
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Re: Illini MENS Hoopers @ Knockersville, TN 12/9 early game!!!!
« Reply #100 on: December 09, 2023, 06:50:16 PM »
Quote from: ILLINICHIEF on December 09, 2023, 06:24:59 PM
So are 27 missed 3 attempts, the story is the same, the gameplan seems as if nothing has changed, our talent is there. Again, we will not win many games shooting nearly 40 3's.

In the 2005 C-Ship game against UNC we shot I think 40...what was that outcome again?

Yes both of these games were close, but we shot an outrageous amount of 3's in both games. We had a chance to win both, but did we really? Refs were terrible in both of these games and again no adjustments, just keep chucking 3's.

That game the amount of 3's really stood out afterwards, and this game the same. That is the only comparison I am trying to make, same ole same ole against top caliber teams. Not gonna work for us. We have a very good chance to have a very good season, but not if BU stance is take em if that is what is given, C'mon really?

We shot too many threes today, but if I were you I'm not sure I'd use "shooting a bunch of threes didn't work for the 2005 team" as evidence.
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Re: Illini MENS Hoopers @ Knockersville, TN 12/9 early game!!!!
« Reply #101 on: December 09, 2023, 08:20:45 PM »
Hawkins is on the top 3 most frustrating Illinois player of all time list.
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Re: Illini MENS Hoopers @ Knockersville, TN 12/9 early game!!!!
« Reply #102 on: December 09, 2023, 09:12:59 PM »
You cannot shoot 25% on that many 3s and get out muscled/rebounded and expect to win, particularly when we have forwards hanging around the perimeter because they're either the shooter or running point for some reason.
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Re: Illini MENS Hoopers @ Knockersville, TN 12/9 early game!!!!
« Reply #103 on: December 09, 2023, 09:22:17 PM »
Today did nothing to help our PG woes.

Still we're in the games and only going to get better. Just without a true PG I fear we may hit year 19 with no S16.

Not a bad loss. Losing to Mizzery would be a bad loss.
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Re: Illini MENS Hoopers @ Knockersville, TN 12/9 early game!!!!
« Reply #104 on: December 10, 2023, 06:20:31 AM »
Quote from: jobu on December 09, 2023, 03:30:45 PM
I still do not like Coleman Hawkins. Probably never will.

I look forward to next season when I don't have to worry about seeing him complaining to the refs all game
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