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Re: TOP 10
« Reply #15 on: December 08, 2023, 01:48:07 PM »
Quote from: Custard on December 08, 2023, 01:34:16 PM
I think IC was trying to say teams that were built and coached by the same person or something along those lines

One never quite knows.

For that matter our rotation has Shannon, Domask, Guerrier, and Harmon who were all developed elsewhere so there is that.

Glad we have them.


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« Reply #16 on: December 08, 2023, 01:58:55 PM »
Yeah the new transfer portal rules change the whole landscape of the game when it comes to roster construction. Ultimately it is still the coaching staff that has to build a winning roster within the rules of the era. Was watching the Sleepers and Field of 68 podcasts on YouTube last night. They seem to think a lot more highly of the job Underwood is doing here than most of our fans do.
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« Reply #17 on: December 08, 2023, 02:55:07 PM »
Quote from: Custard on December 08, 2023, 01:58:55 PM
Yeah the new transfer portal rules change the whole landscape of the game when it comes to roster construction. Ultimately it is still the coaching staff that has to build a winning roster within the rules of the era. Was watching the Sleepers and Field of 68 podcasts on YouTube last night. They seem to think a lot more highly of the job Underwood is doing here than most of our fans do.

His downfall was the 2021 disaster in NCAA fair or not. He could have bought years of goodwill and support with an EE.
He needs a S16 and this year once again is possible, but he has never done it anywhere in like 7 tries.

If they can consistently find enough ways to score in the half court we could be pretty decent.
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« Reply #18 on: December 08, 2023, 03:03:11 PM »
Wait a second...I thought I was the only one dissatisfied with B1G Regular Season Championships....
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« Reply #19 on: December 08, 2023, 08:28:16 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on December 08, 2023, 03:03:11 PM
Wait a second...I thought I was the only one dissatisfied with B1G Regular Season Championships....

The Loyalty insiders are adamant that if we flame out in tourney UW will be gone.
I think that scenario is possible if that happens.
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« Reply #20 on: December 09, 2023, 01:26:27 AM »
I mean, maybe if he chooses to leave before his seat gets hot, sure.

But I can promise you that Josh Whitman isn’t basing Underwood’s employment here off the postseason results of this particular team. The whole notion is absurd. We are in the midst of our best run of basketball in 20 years.

Let’s say the worst happens and BU loses the team and they fall apart and get bounced as a 12 seed the first round. Will there be a bunch of grumbling? Of course. Is he getting fired? Hell no. They’ll do a shuffling of the assistants and Geoff and maybe TU and/or Chester get jettisoned and they go back to the drawing board.

Or, perhaps more likely, Underwood takes another job. That’s worst case.

At that point they’d be 5 years into perennial tournament quality teams with a couple B1G titles and a 1 seed etc. He’s not getting fired.

A more likely scenario in which we flame out in the tourney would be with a much higher seed. Maybe the flame out would be harder to stomach, but he’s even less likely to be fired because we had another high seed.

His seat probably doesn’t even begin to get hot until he flames out this year and then follows it up with another disappointing season after they play the assistant shuffle game. And I think he’d bail on his own before going through that song and dance anyways.

Sorry, PAMan and Lkdog. 
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« Reply #21 on: December 09, 2023, 06:46:31 AM »
How much of the Underwood inquiring about the Texas job was true?
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« Reply #22 on: December 09, 2023, 08:51:45 AM »
Quote from: Custard on December 09, 2023, 01:26:27 AM
I mean, maybe if he chooses to leave before his seat gets hot, sure.

But I can promise you that Josh Whitman isn’t basing Underwood’s employment here off the postseason results of this particular team. The whole notion is absurd. We are in the midst of our best run of basketball in 20 years.

Let’s say the worst happens and BU loses the team and they fall apart and get bounced as a 12 seed the first round. Will there be a bunch of grumbling? Of course. Is he getting fired? Hell no. They’ll do a shuffling of the assistants and Geoff and maybe TU and/or Chester get jettisoned and they go back to the drawing board.

Or, perhaps more likely, Underwood takes another job. That’s worst case.

At that point they’d be 5 years into perennial tournament quality teams with a couple B1G titles and a 1 seed etc. He’s not getting fired.

A more likely scenario in which we flame out in the tourney would be with a much higher seed. Maybe the flame out would be harder to stomach, but he’s even less likely to be fired because we had another high seed.

His seat probably doesn’t even begin to get hot until he flames out this year and then follows it up with another disappointing season after they play the assistant shuffle game. And I think he’d bail on his own before going through that song and dance anyways.

Sorry, PAMan and Lkdog.


I disagree. Yes, it might be a "mutual" parting of ways but he has to produce at some point in March and this team gives him a fairly decent chance.


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« Reply #23 on: December 09, 2023, 09:04:43 AM »
Quote from: Custard on December 08, 2023, 01:58:55 PM
Yeah the new transfer portal rules change the whole landscape of the game when it comes to roster construction. Ultimately it is still the coaching staff that has to build a winning roster within the rules of the era. Was watching the Sleepers and Field of 68 podcasts on YouTube last night. They seem to think a lot more highly of the job Underwood is doing here than most of our fans do.

The way our fans talk about Underwood is absolutely wild to me.

Dude has been very good here, undeniably.  Obviously we want tournament success, but firing him and starting over seems likely to move us backward than forward.  Underwood has built 5 consecutive tournament teams in an era where the entirety of NCAA roster construction was in flux and half our fans act like he fucking sucks.
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« Reply #24 on: December 09, 2023, 09:06:33 AM »
Quote from: Lkdog on December 08, 2023, 08:28:16 PM
The Loyalty insiders are adamant that if we flame out in tourney UW will be gone.
I think that scenario is possible if that happens.

The chances we upgrade if this happens are extremely small.  Extremely.  I don’t think they’re wrong obviously (I said the same thing here last year and was nearly unanimously disagreed with) but I think that’d be wildly short sighted and we’d most likely end up with a worse coach than Underwood.

Firing a guy with the success Underwood has had here will make it that much harder to hire a good coach next time.
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« Reply #25 on: December 09, 2023, 09:29:32 AM »
If we have a great regular season only to flame out before the second weekend and extend our historically bad S16 drought, JW has every right to let BU go.

But would he, not a chance with the recruiting efforts and record we've had over the past 4 seasons. 

Throw in Morez Johnson, our best recruit in God knows how long and a Chicago product for that matter. Crazy talk to think BU would be fired.

Need to go so see Morez play, eyeing the Niles North game or @ Benet game next month.
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« Reply #26 on: December 09, 2023, 09:39:06 AM »
Quote from: Beach Bum on December 09, 2023, 09:29:32 AM
Throw in Morez Johnson, our best recruit in God knows how long and a Chicago product for that matter. Crazy talk to think BU would be fired.



THIS ^^^^^:)
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« Reply #27 on: December 09, 2023, 10:03:29 AM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on December 09, 2023, 09:06:33 AM
The chances we upgrade if this happens are extremely small.  Extremely.  I don’t think they’re wrong obviously (I said the same thing here last year and was nearly unanimously disagreed with) but I think that’d be wildly short sighted and we’d most likely end up with a worse coach than Underwood.

Firing a guy with the success Underwood has had here will make it that much harder to hire a good coach next time.


I do think we are no longer a coaching destination job for years. I don't think it would have anything to do with UW. It's a decent P6 job.
It's a business and if he goes 0-8 in getting to second weekend and we look bad doing it like the last three years I will be surprised if he stays.
We will be in complete portal rebuild mode again next year.

We will see and I hope this is the year we finally see a second weekend again. It will be 19 years.

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Re: TOP 10
« Reply #28 on: December 09, 2023, 10:09:12 AM »
Quote from: Lkdog on December 09, 2023, 10:03:29 AM

I do think we are no longer a coaching destination job for years. I don't think it would have anything to do with UW. It's a decent P6 job.
It's a business and if he goes 0-8 in getting to second weekend and we look bad doing it like the last three years I will be surprised if he stays.
We will be in complete portal rebuild mode again next year.

We will see and I hope this is the year we finally see a second weekend again. It will be 19 years.

We have never been a tournament success school, yeah lets get rid of our best coach in decades to find another hall of famer like Self, should be super duper easy right.  I'm sure no other school has thought of that.  Basing 100% of a coach's results on 3% of the season is fucking retarded.  Sorry, that's just a fact.
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« Reply #29 on: December 09, 2023, 10:10:52 AM »
Quote from: Lkdog on December 09, 2023, 10:03:29 AM

I do think we are no longer a coaching destination job for years. I don't think it would have anything to do with UW. It's a decent P6 job.
It's a business and if he goes 0-8 in getting to second weekend and we look bad doing it like the last three years I will be surprised if he stays.
We will be in complete portal rebuild mode again next year.

We will see and I hope this is the year we finally see a second weekend again. It will be 19 years.

We definitely will not be a destination if we finally hire a good coach and fire him.  We will really struggle to get good candidates in that situation.  No one will want to come to a place where you can be the best coach in a couple decades and get fired for it.

It’s exactly the kind of small mind, short sighted thinking that’s likely to give us another decade where we don’t expect to even play in the tournament.
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