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Re: THE JFC Thread!
« Reply #5160 on: October 16, 2024, 09:24:45 PM »
Quote from: TheSkepticalMan on October 16, 2024, 09:23:08 PM
There was nothing exceptional about last years’ Bears offensive squad from talent to coaching. And talk about QB elevating his team all you want, pretty much every great offense has a few exceptional players.

There was nothing average about last year's Bears offensive squad, and a large part of that was coaching - but another large part of it was quarterback play, which covers up a lot of other things when it's good.
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« Reply #5161 on: October 16, 2024, 09:24:52 PM »
Look at how pedestrian KCs offense has been now that Hill is gone and Kelce is slipping. If not for their top tier defense they’d be a fringe playoff team.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #5162 on: October 16, 2024, 09:25:27 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on October 16, 2024, 09:24:45 PM
There was nothing average about last year's Bears offensive squad,

Exactly, it was below average. In almost every aspect.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #5163 on: October 16, 2024, 09:28:46 PM »
Quote from: TheSkepticalMan on October 16, 2024, 09:24:52 PM
Look at how pedestrian KCs offense has been now that Hill is gone and Kelce is slipping. If not for their top tier defense they’d be a fringe playoff team.

They're 11th in yards per game and 15th in points per game.  That would be the best offense Justin Fields has ever led - kind of my point.
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« Reply #5164 on: October 16, 2024, 09:29:04 PM »
Tell me this team doesn’t have more “talent” than last years’ Bears team. And last year they had Calvin Ridley and still this team sucked. Lots of teams have “talent.” The Bears were not above average and not even average at most positions.

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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #5165 on: October 16, 2024, 09:29:13 PM »
Quote from: TheSkepticalMan on October 16, 2024, 09:25:27 PM
Exactly, it was below average. In almost every aspect.

Yes.  Including quarterback play.
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« Reply #5166 on: October 16, 2024, 09:32:01 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on October 16, 2024, 09:28:46 PM
They're 11th in yards per game and 15th in points per game.  That would be the best offense Justin Fields has ever led - kind of my point.

The things that a HOF offensive coach, years in the system, and a good line can help you achieve! Fields has never played in a system this good. Even as pedestrian as KC is offensively right now.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #5167 on: October 16, 2024, 09:32:04 PM »
Quote from: TheSkepticalMan on October 16, 2024, 09:29:04 PM
Tell me this team doesn’t have more “talent” than last years’ Bears team. And last year they had Calvin Ridley and still this team sucked. Lots of teams have “talent.” The Bears were not above average and not even average at most positions.



This team is 13th in yards per game and 14th in points per game.  Would be the best offense Fields has ever led.
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« Reply #5168 on: October 16, 2024, 09:32:56 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on October 16, 2024, 09:29:13 PM
Yes.  Including quarterback play.

Had his ups and downs.
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« Reply #5169 on: October 16, 2024, 09:33:44 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on October 16, 2024, 09:32:04 PM
This team is 13th in yards per game and 14th in points per game.  Would be the best offense Fields has ever led.

So an offense with all that talent is…about average.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #5170 on: October 16, 2024, 09:33:51 PM »
Quote from: TheSkepticalMan on October 16, 2024, 09:32:01 PM
The things that a HOF offensive coach, years in the system, and a good line can help you achieve! Fields has never played in a system this good. Even as pedestrian as KC is offensively right now.

There's just always some reason Fields hasn't been that good.

You seem like you've never even considered that he's been mediocre because he's a mediocre, mid-tier starter type NFL QB.  It's always someone else's fault.

You mention that the Chiefs offense are pedestrian - I point out that they are more productive than any Fields offense has ever been - you say of course they're good, they have a good line and a HOF coach.

Fields also is playing under a HOF coach.  He still leads a mediocre offense.
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« Reply #5171 on: October 16, 2024, 09:34:25 PM »
Quote from: TheSkepticalMan on October 16, 2024, 09:33:44 PM
So an offense with all that talent is…about average.

Even with a can't-miss guy at QB!

Yep.  They're an average offense, that's better than any Justin Fields has ever led.

You're acting like this is a point in Fields' corner, but it isn't.
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« Reply #5172 on: October 16, 2024, 09:35:40 PM »
Do you think the Bears offense with Caleb Williams has been really good?
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« Reply #5173 on: October 16, 2024, 09:36:02 PM »
The lowly Raiders had DeVante Adams  and Brock Bowers to throw to (until a few days ago).
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #5174 on: October 16, 2024, 09:36:30 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on October 16, 2024, 09:35:40 PM
Do you think the Bears offense with Caleb Williams has been really good?

At times. And it’s getting better.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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