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Re: THE JFC Thread!
« Reply #5010 on: September 25, 2024, 05:21:47 PM »
Quote from: ILLove1997 on September 25, 2024, 05:17:33 PM
334 pages and counting of you defending him kind of sends some signals ya know

Eh. Tempo has said what he has said. He's been more in on Fields than the rest of us. He could be right about him. We'll see.
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« Reply #5011 on: September 25, 2024, 05:58:09 PM »
Quote from: ILLove1997 on September 25, 2024, 05:17:33 PM
334 pages and counting of you defending him kind of sends some signals ya know

Meh, I’m a Bears fan. And I went to bat for a guy who I think has lots of ability and wasn’t adequately supported (a Bears QB not adequately supported, say it ain’t so!), and was unjustly scapegoated. What else should we argue about? D’Andre Swifts vision, or lack thereof?
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #5012 on: September 27, 2024, 03:06:59 AM »
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #5013 on: September 29, 2024, 04:16:40 PM »
PAMan calls BS:

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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #5014 on: September 29, 2024, 04:22:18 PM »
Quote from: Decided Schematic Disadvantage on September 29, 2024, 04:16:40 PM
PAMan calls BS:



The ultimate game manager praising a game manager...
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« Reply #5015 on: September 29, 2024, 05:02:00 PM »
367 yards and 3 TDs is pretty good game manager production!
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #5016 on: September 29, 2024, 05:08:03 PM »
Quote from: Decided Schematic Disadvantage on September 29, 2024, 05:02:00 PM
367 yards and 3 TDs is pretty good game manager production!

I think Fields has been fine and was plenty good today, but funny to watch how wildly your standards shift based on whether the person involved is Fields or not.

You simply would not hear any statistically based argument regarding Fields for all of last year, and now he puts up big numbers in a loss and you're lauding him for it.

It's extremely transparent, but funny.
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« Reply #5017 on: September 29, 2024, 05:23:31 PM »
WTF are you talking about?
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #5018 on: September 29, 2024, 05:30:11 PM »
I’m terribly baffled by the “shifting standards” comment. I honestly don’t even know what he means by that.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #5019 on: September 29, 2024, 05:33:36 PM »
Are you comparing Caleb’s 52 attempt 3 turnover 2 TD game to Fields’ 34 attempt 3 TD 1 turnover game? That’s the only thing I can think of regarding that comment. And I’ve not been overly critical of Caleb. Everyone around him has been pretty trash.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #5020 on: September 29, 2024, 05:41:20 PM »
Quote from: Decided Schematic Disadvantage on September 29, 2024, 05:30:11 PM
I’m terribly baffled by the “shifting standards” comment. I honestly don’t even know what he means by that.

Of course you are, because as always your entire thing is to pretend other people can't remember previous times you've talked to them.

Last year, Fields had NUMEROUS extremely mediocre, unproductive games.  After every single one of them you blamed everyone else, insisted that statistics don't matter.  You mocked me for pointing out his passing numbers weren't good, even putting "You should see my passer rating" in your profile to this day.  Now you're here lauding his stats in a loss, the first time this year his offense has scored above the league average.  When Fields has bad stats, stats don't matter - but when he has good stats, you're the first dude here to brag on them.

Fields is not the kind of guy, over 40+ NFL starts, who has shown he can win you football games.  If you don't ask a lot of him he won't lose you games with an elite defense and great coaching - which was the same guy we saw here, for the most part.  People have been gushing about him for winning this year even though his offense coming into this week was bottom-10 in points, yards, and passing yards.  The offense he leads has been extremely similar in production to the much-maligned Bears offense.  To his credit, he hasn't been asked to do a lot, and has mostly met the challenges - but he is by no means setting the world on fire this year.

When he loses, you blame his defense - no thought to the fact that he has three wins so far where his offense didn't reach the league average points, but his defense gave up 10 or fewer.

The Fields thing is truly the weirdest thing I've ever seen in all of sports.
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« Reply #5021 on: September 29, 2024, 05:53:46 PM »
I don’t ever recall saying statistics don’t matter. I have said they don’t always tell the whole story. Such as Mahomes v Trubisky.

Again, you haven’t been around. I’ve given the Steelers defense and their “formula” a lot credit. Fields was just doing what Tomlin wants him to do. I’ve said a million times Fields needed to help himself by playing better, but yes, I said it’s hard to play well when no one else around you is. I’ve given Caleb the same grade as well. I’ve been very gentle in my criticism of Caleb, because 1) He’s a rookie 2) Everyone around him as mostly sucked. But there’s been times he’s missed some layups, just like Justin did.

I’ve never once said anything other that I feel Justin can be a legitimate franchise quarterback if you support him adequately, and give him the proper coaching. Well he’s getting better coaching and getting nearly universal praise now. No, he’s not Allen or Mahomes. Probably won’t ever be.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #5022 on: September 29, 2024, 06:01:37 PM »
You've had "You should see my passer rating", a phrase mocking people for pointing out that Fields' production had not been good, in your profile for a year now - but sure, you definitely never said stats don't matter!

He's getting universal praise now, despite leading an offense near the bottom of the league in almost every category.  That's kind of exactly my point.  If my math is right, the Steelers' offense has scored 4 more points than the Bears' offense through four games and the Bears' offense has gotten near universal criticism - and rightfully so, it's been bad and unproductive!  The difference is that the Bears' defense have given up only slightly less than the league average, and the Steelers have given up less than half of the league average per game.

Fields has 3 wins this year on the back of elite defensive play, but when the defense gives up 27 the loss is on them.  Sure, fair enough - but the three wins are on them too, not Fields or the offense.
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« Reply #5023 on: September 29, 2024, 06:25:04 PM »
I really don’t know what you guys think I’ve said re: Justin. All I’ve ever said is that I think he can still be good, and that a lot of the problems weren’t all on him. Just as a lot of the Bears’ current problems aren’t all on Caleb. I’ve never once made the case Justin was a polished franchise quarterback. Not one time.
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« Reply #5024 on: September 29, 2024, 06:28:18 PM »
There isn’t one football expert who will tell you that Caleb has played better or equal to Justin Fields this year. The Bears have a lot more talent on offense than the Steelers do. Van Jefferson would the the #5 receiver here, not the #2. Then again, there’s no such thing as a “football expert” so I guess the point is moot. Fields has largely done what Tomlin wants him to do. And anyone that’s watched any of their games knows he’s had multiple big plays called back because of penalties.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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